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To: gao seng who wrote (590)	9/5/1999 5:35:00 PM
From: James F. Hopkins	Respond to of 1449

Goa; I agree 100% about the tape recordings not having credibility at all, first they had total control of those tapes, and could have splice together words to make it sound any way they wanted. Second what they presented in court was of such poor quality and even then one would have to stretch their imagination to come up with what the ATF was trying to prove they said. Recently the Jury foreman ( women ) at that trial made a public statement saying none of the Jury believed that the Davidians had set the fire. She also said that with this new evidence she believed the ones in jail should get a new trial. I'v thought of the TWA 800 crash too and I'm not satisfied with the findings so far but I while I see other alternatives I see several and have no way to make them any more valid than the findings, so I'm at a dead end on it, or rather one that forks off in too many directions with no way to tell which road could lead to the answer. Jim Jim

To: gao seng who wrote (590)	9/5/1999 6:13:00 PM
From: James F. Hopkins	Respond to of 1449

More on tapes, While the FBI tapes are poor, and them having had total control lends them to have very little creadance at all. ---------------- I do have a collection of recorded 911 calls that as to the context I would trust..but to draw any conclusions one needs to listen to them all, out of context they can be made to slant things one way or the other. In total context They are much more favorable to the David & the Davidian side. Two of them are really bad. IMO ( deputy sheriff during the first gun battle, who helped set things up and is in Waco not being shot at,) well any one can tell this guy is so cheerful that you would think he just got a date with Madonna , all the guns popping and he's just like a kid whose dream has come true. It's extremely incriminating as to his motives for being in on this. ------------- Then the 911 call to the fire Department, that one convinces me the fire chief knew the call was coming, and knew he was just going to make a prefuntionary run. someone got to him These tapes are clear and the inflections in their voice say more to me than their words. Jim PS Last we know the phone was taped at the complex prior to the raid and the BATF were listening in and had to hear the so called tip off call. They won't release it , so I infer a lot from that, and also what the undercover agent said, ( as he was standing right by David when that call came in ) I infer it was a set up call to help assure a gun fight. That type trick is not that uncommon.