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To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (630)9/6/1999 12:20:00 AM
From: gao seng  Respond to of 1449
 
Small snip is right. It had at least 60 seconds of coverage on the air.

I may have taken journalistic liberties with the term chant. It only takes one to chant, right? But they showed this guy handcuffed and on his knees on the football field, surrounded by uniformed officers, shouting "Who gave the order? I want to know who gave the order? This is just like Waco!"

They tried to interview a kid about 12 years old, but he wouldn't answer. The finally asked him, can you breathe? He said, "barely, now"



To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (630)9/6/1999 1:36:00 AM
From: gao seng  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1449
 
Police gas Mile High fans
By Evan Dreyer
Denver Post Staff Writer

Sept. 5 - Denver police tear-gassed hundreds of football fans at Mile High Stadium late Saturday as cups, bottles and other debris rained down on officers and deflated CU players trying to make their way off the field after a disappointing 41-14 loss to cross-state rival CSU.

Fans in the northeast stands said the pepper spray and red, smoky tear gas came with no warning and no provocation, triggering a panic to get out and causing spectators to vomit and children to sob.

"People were crying, putting their shirts over their heads and running up the stairs,'' Fort Collins high school student Zach Echman said.

"Little kids were holding on to their moms, trying to get away from the tear gas,'' said Laurel Damp, a junior at Colorado State University. She lambasted the riot-gear-clad police as "unlawful.''

The melee brought harsh criticism of the police behavior as the the game ended.

"I have absolutely no respect for the police officers,'' student Laura Sidener said. "No one was causing any trouble.''

Police spokeswoman Virginia Lopez said the trouble started at the end of CSU's trouncing of the University of Colorado.

With about a minute left, fans in the northeast corner started chanting "Goalpost! Goalpost! Goalpost!'' and were trying to rush the field to tear down the posts. Then fans started chanting, "Let's get gassed!''

The fans were taunting the CU team and tossing trash at CU players as they tried to head into the locker room, police and witnesses said.

Lopez said many fans were drunk and unruly, though beer sales were halted about five minutes before halftime. Police rushed extra officers to the stadium, and to keep fans from spilling onto the field at game's end, officers began spraying pepper spray and tear gas into the stands, Lopez said.

The officers reportedly were under orders from the Denver Broncos to prevent damage to the field or the tearing down of goalposts.

Denver police Capt. R.A. Ryan blamed the ugly end to the game on the spectators. "A lot of the fans were pretty well intoxicated,'' Ryan said. "That's what caused it.''

Lopez said officers made a "large number'' of arrests but did not have an exact count.

As the game ended, police advised CU players "to put your helmets on'' and run into the tunnel to get off the field. Cheerleaders also were hurried off.

"It was like being in a war,'' CU cornerback Ben Kelly said.

Colorado quarterback Mike Moschetti said he was worried it would get worse. "I was just waiting,'' he said. "I was hoping the fans would leave.''

CU coach Gary Barnett called the end-of-the-game clash disappointing, saying it was too bad the fans didn't conduct themselves with more class.

Bart Palmer, a financial planner in Fort Collins, was sitting in the third row of Section 120. He said that at the end of the game, swarms of people started moving down toward the field, screaming, with some throwing debris onto the field.

Then one fan jumped a fence, and another fell over it. Then came the pepper spray and tear gas. Fans were scrambling back up the steps to get out, and Palmer said he helped carry a girl having an asthma attack.

"I was yelling, "This girl's dying, get out of the way!' ''

He said fans were vomiting and children crying.

"It was like the cops were scared,'' he said. "If they were shooting bullets at us, in a shootout, instead of canisters of gas, we would all be dead. How many people would they have killed?''

University officials and reporters conducting interviews on the field were hit by the tear gas.

Fans ran out of the stadium with tears streaming down their faces, the sting of tear gas wafting into the parking lots.

Denver Health Medical Center reported treating two fans for injuries from tear gas, being trampled and hyperventilation. Two more fans were taken to other hospitals.

CU fan Tom Wolf said the crowd was much calmer this year than in 1998, the first year the "Rocky Mountain Showdown'' between the two rivals was held at Mile High.

"The cops were looking for trouble,'' he said.

None of the players was at risk of getting hurt by the debris being thrown onto the field, CSU junior Shelley Sullivan said.

"If a guy can get hit by a 250-pound linebacker, an empty bottle isn't going to hurt him,'' Sullivan said.

CSU student Corrie Griffin estimated that just 20 fans were throwing things onto the field.

"When the game was over, no one moved,'' Griffin said. "Everyone stayed behind the fences, and no one rushed the field.'' When the tear gas hit, "I was puking. I couldn't walk.''

Andrew Blackmon, a 22-year-old CSU student, said: "I think it's important to say that there weren't many people throwing bottles, and there weren't many people trying to get on the field. But the cops sprayed everybody.''

Even the band and some event staff members were sprayed.

In Fort Collins after the game, College Avenue was jammed with cars, and the bars were full of students returning from Denver. Rowdy fans waved green and gold pompons, blared horns and chanted "CSU! CSU! CSU!''

Police blocked off roads and set up barricades.

CSU senior Chris Tanner watched the game at Old Chicago in downtown Fort Collins.

He went to the game last year and regrets not going to Saturday's match, though he didn't miss the traffic and the crowds.

"For 13 years we've been underestimated and underrated,'' he said. "This is the best revenge I could ever ask for. It was a blue-collar/white-collar showdown, but we won it with heart.''

At last year's showdown, police ejected or arrested 77 fans.

Dave Plati, CU sports information director, said it appears most CU fans had already left the stadium, but if any were involved in the melee, they would be disciplined.

The issue of whether the game will be played again at Mile High Stadium will be discussed next week among CU's administration, CSU officials, and officials from the city of Denver and Mile High Stadium, Plati said.

Denver Post writers Cindy Brovsky, Angie DeVine, Sean Kelly, Mark Kiszla, Katrina Martin, Natalie Meisler, Kirk Mitchell, Joe Sanchez and Adam Thompson contributed to this report.

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To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (630)9/6/1999 1:41:00 AM
From: gao seng  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1449
 
'Waco: Rules Of Engagement'
Film Forces Reno's Hand
By Mike Soraghan
Denver Post Staff Writer
9-4-99






Sept. 4 - COLORADO SPRINGS - A Colorado filmmaker is causing problems for the FBI and the U.S. Department of Justice over their handling of the Waco siege in 1993 and the follow-up investigation.

Mike McNulty's film, "Waco: The Rules of Engagement,'' was integral in forcing U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno to reopen the investigation into the government assault on the Branch Davidian compound.

And now, McNulty, of Fort Collins, says his second film, "Waco: A New Revelation,'' proves that U.S. military anti-terrorism experts were active in the attack.

"What we have is a collection of evidence that they were operational and they were shooting,'' McNulty said.

He says the film also debunks FBI assertions that government agents did not fire weapons during the April 19, 1993, assault that ended the 51-day siege. At one point, he says, the film shows government gunmen firing "in the general vicinity'' where 17 cult members were later found dead.

The fiery end to the siege left cult leader David Koresh and some 80 of his followers dead.

McNulty previewed the new film Friday at a retreat for conservatives in Colorado Springs called The Weekend. The film has quickly become the dominant buzz at the politically charged event.

The film and McNulty's new evidence are cause for concern, said U.S. Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., who chairs a congressional committee investigating the government's actions at Waco. But he is cautious about drawing conclusions too quickly.

"I'm not going to say now, until we're fairly certain, that these tapes show actual combat by Delta Force members or other members of the military,'' said Burton, who is attending The Weekend. "Every bit of evidence is extremely important.''

Burton said he has all of McNulty's tapes, or will soon. He is having them analyzed "frame by frame'' by two entities he declined to name. Federal law bans military action against U.S. civilians in most instances.

McNulty is a Navy veteran of Vietnam who was later part of a group of Vietnam veterans who protested against the war.

He was a commercial insurance broker in Fort Collins when he saw the fiery end to the siege in Waco. He also had a law enforcement watchdog group called the COPS Public Interest group.

"I watched the building burn, and something bothered me,'' McNulty said.

He grew more interested as the insurance company he represented fell apart, leaving him without a job. He would later do some investigating for attorneys representing Branch Davidian survivors.

His first investigation into the Waco disaster disproved a theory found on an early videotape critical of the government. The video indicated that the tank used to enter the compound was shooting flames like a flame thrower. But he found that it was a piece of the crumbling building reflecting light.

But now the tables have turned. The FBI says some bursts of light on heat-sensitive videotape of the assault are simply reflections of shiny objects. McNulty's analysis says that's impossible.

The heat-sensitive tape was taken by an FBI plane hovering over the scene. McNulty says he obtained a better, earlier version of the tape through Freedom of Information Act requests.

McNulty says there are 16 flashes per second, consistent with automatic weapons fire, not random acts of nature.

In another segment not shown Friday, he says the heat-sensitive tape shows shots being fired in the vicinity of where 17 Branch Davidians were found shot to death.

The film includes statements from a retired U.S. military Special Forces member confirming that some of the people on videotapes and photographs located by McNulty were members of the U.S. military's counter-terrorism Delta Force.

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