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To: Teddy who wrote (1743)9/6/1999 11:34:00 PM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15615
 
Teddy,

"If that be true, than the stated 5.1 Gb/s would equal 32.64 STM-1's, right?"

Yes, that is roughly what I stated, as well. But I don't trust that number 5.1 for reasons I've already stated. But we'll proceed with your approach, nonetheless.

"If we divide the $105 million by 32.64 we get $3,216,911.76 per STM-1.
I would expect some discount on a $105 mill purchase (and we think Exodus is a repeat customer too). The think i can't figure out is, why is the average price 3 times the price Barron's said?"


Don't know. What is the assumption in the Barrons article with respect to contract term? Annual? Fifteen year IRU? What?

There exists a number of variables which still need to be quantified and qualified before any benchmarks can be applied. Many of these may be contract specific, as would be the case in a constract that is drawn up on an individual case basis.

What is the term of this agreement? Does it stipulate part now, and part pledge or commitment over so many years for the remainder? Is GBLX providing total outsourcing for network management and administration for the entire term of the pact?

Another issue which makes extrapolation difficult is this: The mix of the capacities which were cited between the US Domestic part, the Underseas part across the pond, and the Overseas Terrestrial parts is too lumpy to be useful for seat of the pants analysis. It is impossible to apply a single multiplier (or to derive one in reverse, for that matter) or to even average out a number like 32+ STM-1's and treat them all equally.

While we're on the subject, STM-1 local loops are very expensive. Far more disproportionately expensive than those of the long haul parts. Has EXDS contracted GBLX to be an end-to-end provider, inclusive of all local loops both domestically and internationally, to be covered by the same price that was cited? Don't know, but if they are, then that would make a big difference.

I don't understand, or trust, Miller's numbers, by the way. Maybe that's because I read them out of context. But a drop from 12 Million in one year to just 1 Million the next year for an STM1 is something less than white noise to me. What is this price for, and upon what assumptions are these being quoted?

Was it for an IRU channel? If so, for how long? If not, then what... was it for annual rates? Monthly rates?The 12 Million sounded like it might be for an extended term IRU, and the 1 Milion for an annual rate. <??>

Let's get some perspective, here, and consider a domestic private line T3 and STM1 for a fifteen hundred mile span. If I chose to go with a LVLT or QWST (as opposed to one of the big 3) for a 1,500 mile T3 here in the states, I would expect to pay something like 25,000 per month if I committed for at least a year. [I would also expect to pay handsomely at each end for T3 loops from the ILECs as well.]

That's 300,000 per year plus the freight for local loops. The big threes are still up in the stratosphere on this, charging upwards of 35,000/mo (MCI) or 40,000+ (ATT), and close to a 500,000/annum, or more, for the privilege of riding over their fibers.

If I again used any of the newer domestic fiber carriers for an STM 1 (OC-3) for the same mileage, I would expect to be paying roughly 60,000/mo, or roughly 720,000/annum +/-. This assumes that I am a most favored customer, and that I sign up for a number of years.

After I'm done paying for my STM-1 ILEC local loops, the entire service could easily go beyond 850,000/annum with the newer carriers, or well over 1.25 Million with a Big Three.

I'm left to wonder, then, what the Million per was for that Miller cited for a transoceanic line. Don't know. It sounds like he's referring to annual rates, but for some reason that doesn't sit well with me, either.

"...can you give us an idea on the real going prices for trans Atlantic and Pacific circuits?"

I couldn't tell you what the published rates are... if there are any. These are big ticket items, as carrier offerings go, and the deals that are cut between carriers are often different in their very nature than those that are made with end users and others who are non-carriers. Swaps and other forms of settlements are often taken into account among carriers, being one reason for this.

In the few instances where I have been involved with International Broadband pipes over the past two years, there have been surreal (as much as 100% to 500%+) spreads on what might be quoted to different subscribing companies. And again, these differences are often traceable to different terms (SLAs, term, survivability, Customer Network Management, tail section circuit provisioning, etc.) that are agreed to up front.

Having said all of this to you, is it any wonder to you why I would have very little use for the Barrons article? If I can muster up anything that resembles rational pricing information in this space, I will post it. But I am not optimistic that anything that I can come up with will have widespread applicability. And this is in a way a sign of the immaturity of this market segment, as the startups go through their settling in periods, while water seeks its own level.

Regards, Frank Coluccio



To: Teddy who wrote (1743)9/7/1999 8:07:00 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Respond to of 15615
 
Teddy, Thread...

I recently read an interview between Gordon Cook and Farooq Hussain of MediaGate that touched on many of these issues, and more. I have copied only a small portion of that interview which could be viewed as representative of the larger piece, due to its copyrighted nature.

Keep in mind that this interview appeared in the July '99 report, but actually took place in late March, and that the experiences of one individual does not necessarily speak the truth for all. Also keep in mind when reading this that the SONET 155 Mb/s OC-3 capacity they are referring to is the same bandwidth denomination as the SDH 155 Mb/s STM-1 envelope we've been discussing up to this point i.c.w. EXDS' purchasing agreement with GBLX. Also note that all bolding is mine.

For more information regarding the Cook Report on Internet, go to:

cookreport.com

Enjoy, Frank Coluccio
-------begin snip:


COOK Report: What may happen to really
bring down the cost or do you just see a continuation
of the same gradual trends we've seen so far?

The Pricing of IRUs

Hussain: I don't see that it's been gradual
at all. I think it's been extremely dramatic in
its impact. For example, if you asked me 2
years ago what the likelihood was of an ISP
with capitalization of under $100 million
being able to buy an IRU—never mind on
an international link—in terms of capacity
in the continental United States IRU—I
would have said it would be very unlikely
because 1) it was rather hard to find that capacity
and 2) it was very, very complicated
to enter in the market in which an IRU could
be acquired.

COOK Report: AboveNet is very impressive
in this regard but I'd like to ask you
about Global Crossing which is another very
interesting company. Global's business
model is a little bit differnet, and understandably
so, from a large carrier like AT&T who
preceded them with cable under the ocean.

Hussain: Global has a lot of capacity and
they're in an aggressive mode to sell. So is
Gemini.
If I were in the position of an ISP
looking to buy international capacity across
the Atlantic, I would be talking to all of the
operators and could certainly hope for a very,
very favorable deal.

But my tendency would not be to buy the
capacity on a long term basis. If you want a
highly detailed analysis by route—which I
encouraged the ICAIS group to do and they
are doing it—you can find city pairs inter-nationally
and figure out what capacity is
available, what the cost was 18 months ago
and what it is today. While this type of detailed
information isn't available publicly,
you can find it in aggregate in
TeleGeography a publication that does this
sort of thing routinely.

My general recommendation would be that
twenty-five years is a very long time in ISP
space. If I were making a recommendation
to a smaller carrier who was trying to decide
whether to spend $10 million now on
an OC3 for 25 years or find some other way
like short-term leasing or paying someone
else to carry it, my tendency would be to
hold out. Everybody asks me why I'd do that
since the prices are now very expensive.

Well, the prices are not very expensive. But
there's still a big league aura to owning an
IRU and $8 million isn't very much to pay
for one if you're well funded. But if you
consider the long term when look at this
graph, you'll see that people putting down
capacity at such a rate— that paying this
much right now may be questionable.

COOK Report: Hopefully, 5 years from now
the rate will be a lot less. And your point is
that in another 5 years the rate will diminish
even further. I have the impression that Dave
Rand feels that AboveNet's going to be buying
OC3 every year or two and that over a
25 year period of time he'll have bought
enough capacity so that his costs will
satisfactorily average out.

Hussain: You're absolutely right. These are
financial decisions. The main thing is that it
isn't necessary for providers who don't have
$10 million to feel that they're shut out of
the opportunity of getting their traffic carried.
This issue used to relate to global routes
in particular, but this graph applies to the
continental United States as well. It used to
be that smaller players had the perception
that they were going to be shut out of the
opportunities to play a bigger geographic
structure against people who had the ability
to buy [an] IRU. The trends really show that
that's not the case. AboveNet, Exodus, PSI,
Global Frontier, Verio — you could go
through an entire list. All of these people
have bought international capacity."

----end snip