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To: mark silvers who wrote (1114)	9/8/1999 11:29:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6418

From "What is Noble?", in "Beyond Good and Evil" by Friedrich Nietzsche: A man who says: "I like that, I take it for my own, and mean to guard and protect it from every one"; a man who can conduct a case, carry out a resolution, remain true to an opinion, keep hold of a woman, punish and overthrow insolence; a man who has his indignation and his sword, and to whom the weak, the suffering, the oppressed, and even the animals willingly submit and naturally belong; in short, a man who is a master by nature--when such a man has sympathy, well! that sympathy has value! But of what account is the sympathy of those who suffer! Or of those even who preach sympathy! There is nowadays, throughout almost the whole of Europe, a sickly irritability and sensitiveness towards pain, and also a repulsive irrestrainableness in complaining, an effeminising, which, with the aid of religion and philosophical nonsense, seeks to deck itself out as something superior--there is a regular cult of suffering. The unmanliness of that which is called "sympathy" by such groups of visionaries, is always, I believe, the first thing that strikes the eye.--One must resolutely and radically taboo this latest form of bad taste; and finally I wish people to put the good amulet, "gai saber" ("gay science," in ordinary language), on heart and neck, as a protection against it.

To: mark silvers who wrote (1114)	9/8/1999 11:41:00 AM
From: MikeH	Respond to of 6418

Mark, so then you are denying that compassion is a luxury? And no, a compassionate man is often an honorable one. But, compassion does not make a man honorable. Effort, work, duty, persaverance, and noble attitude make a man honorable. None of these are compassion. So, it is obvious, that because honor is so much more than compassion, and it also contains compassion, it must be more important. In our culture. I'm glad you made my point for me. <<liberals think compassion is more important than honor. >> And I guess you could receive honor for compassion, but it is going to be pretty hard. You would really have to save a lot of people, or make others think you did. Princess Di is a good example, but then, she did BUILD several major foundations. Maybe you can't then, and honor only goes to builders. Can you think of somebody honorable who is known solely for compassion, and not for building anything?