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To: gao seng who wrote (858)	9/11/1999 7:49:00 PM
From: chalu2	Respond to of 1449

Hey, how come my minions are getting paid, and not me? I want my check!

To: gao seng who wrote (858)	9/11/1999 8:21:00 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1449

OT: BTW, you'll be happy to learn that the KLA has announced that it will disband even earlier than the Sept. 19 deadline. Also, IMCL rumored successful on antiangiogenesis pancrea tests--hit 39 1/2 this week.

To: gao seng who wrote (858)	9/11/1999 11:08:00 PM
From: James F. Hopkins	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1449

Gao; RE> was watching the World's Greatest Conspiracies last night on The History Channel, and one of them was that the start of the CIA was from the leftovers interlligence agencies of the Nazis. That was a good program they put on, it made sense at the time to the OSS soon to be CIA who were so paranoid of Russia take in the Nazi agency who already had a spy network setup in Russia. O what a web we do weave when we learn to deceive. The Divisian's among other things were likely used as guina pigs to test out some new CIA stuff too. --------------- WEDNESDAY, MARCH 17: 93 KORESH refuses to allow SCHNEIDER to have another face-to-face conversation with SAGE. In a "confrontational" conversation--what JAMAR called the "Dutch uncle conversation"--SAGE urges KORESH to surrender, challenging his sincerity and calling on him to take some positive action. SAGE tells SCHNEIDER his entreaties apparently had "fallen on deaf ears. " With SAGE's agreement, JAMAR decides to increase the pressure on KORESH. SMERICK leaves Waco. [ Scruggs 72, 73, 135, 179] ------------------------- Smerick Resigned the job at Waco in obvious protest likely knowing it would cause him repercussion. I wonder what happened to him, as I pictured him as one of the good guys. ---------- From official report justice department report THURSDAY, MARCH 4: 93 Negotiators jawbone for 11 hours with various Davidians, including 7 hours and 38 minutes with KORESH. The negotiators remain "calm and conciliatory." A memo written by Pete SMERICK and Mark YOUNG, two FBI psychological profilers, says a strategy of negotiations, coupled with ever increasing tactical presence, could be counter-productive and result in the loss of life. [ Scruggs 41-49, 180] ---------------- Looks like Pete had some integrity , and was at odds with what Sage & Jamar were trying to pull off, ( did pull off ) I'm convinced their tactics were calculated to keep David from coming out. Sage & Jamar had come to realize if David surrendered then it would be hard to find an excuse to burn the complex down. I also think that about March 14 the realization of just how bad the tables would turn on them ( and it hit them ) if the News Media did get a close up of the complex also if all the Davidians came out, their stories would reveal to much of the truth. I think by March 14th the ATF/FBI plan was forming among some of the upper echelon taht they had to Burn the place down. Maybe as early as SATURDAY, MARCH 6: In an early morning conversation SCHNEIDER suggests federal agents might burn the compound down to destroy evidence. KORESH and SCHNEIDER are both "highly agitated and upset" for most of the day. The FBI becomes concerned that the negotiations are at an impasse and acknowledges "frustration in attempting to negotiate with KORESH." [ Scruggs 52-55] -------------------- Schneider may have ironically planted the idea . By April 13th HUBBELL meets for 45 minutes in White House counsel Bernard NUSSBAUM's office with top CLINTON aides, Bruce LINDSEY and Vince FOSTER, to discuss the CS gas plan and advise Clinton (This is said to be the "most likely date" of a meeting that occurred sometime during this week.) HUBBELL backs FBI's action plan, citing negotiations impasse and need to pull the HRT back for training, Yep it went all the way to the White House and scum bag Klinton ---------- But before that WEDNESDAY, MARCH 31: Mark RICHARD, the deputy assistant attorney general representing ENO, holds meetings in Waco and San Antonio to look into Waco officials' infighting. "JAMAR" appears to me to be at the heart of that infighting, and this is what really screws up the pressure on them to to END things. Higgins screwed things up to start with but Jamar looks to have turned out to be the leader most anxious to be responsible for the plan that slaughtered all those kids. ---------------- Jim