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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (88200)9/13/1999 2:30:00 PM
From: Rob Young  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
<By the way, one big weakness of a 4-way 21364 system is going to be memory capacity. There are only 16
RDRAM channels in such a system, meaning that with 128 MBit DRDRAM technology, you can only get a half gig
per channel, or 8 gigabytes total. That limit will double as 256 MBit DRDRAMs become more common, but that's
still not big enough for a 64-bit memory bandwidth monster. Compaq may have to resort to branch channels, which
increase latency somewhat, or they may have to use SDRAM-to-RDRAM converters, which also impact
performance.>

Not a "weakness", a feature. Tell me how hard a 4-CPU Merced or a McKinley is going to work 64 Gigabytes of SDRAM OR RDRAM? If the CPU is limited to 2..8 Gigabyte/second what good does it do to have 100 or 200 Gig/sec bandwidth
capacity? Okay.. the argument then shifts to it "can
address more space and has that available". Sure, but
maybe it is all about design centers. Need more memory?
You most likely need more CPU. A 4-CPU system hits a
certain segment. A 64 Gigabyte 4-CPU system doesn't make
sense for several reasons, the least of which it has 1-$1.8
million (1 to 1.8 million looking at 4 Gig boards commodity
prices TODAY 1.8 and tomorrow 1 million MAYBE) dollars worth of memory in a $100,000 box.

More common high-end would be a 32 processor WildFire with
128 Gigabytes of memory. That's your high-end.

Besides, with 64 Gig as your needs, maybe you take 4 - 4 CPU
boxes and cluster them using Memory Channel III if you
like seperate boxes for redundancy. OR even more likely is
you purchase a 16 CPU WildFire config with 64 Gig of memory
as it has multiple hardware redundancy built in and a
much faster/wider interconnect with the Global Switch.

Don't need all that CPU horsepower but need the memory
capacity? Okay.. maybe you have me there and a doubling
of the bits will make up for that. More likely scenario
though is as I described above. The 4 CPU / 64 Gigabyte
box isn't really a big deal.. marketing. 4 CPU / 64
Gig box will require a reduction in memory costs by
about 90% to become a big seller. i.e. another generation
and doubling of bits.

Finally:

The 4 CPU / 4 Memory board is a sweet spot in my opinion as it matches up nicely with bandwidth capacity and also aligns with the 21364 .. a CPU controls the adjacent memory bank and the CPU itself acts as a network switch.

Rob



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (88200)9/14/1999 5:31:00 PM
From: Rob Young  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Tench,

To flog this horse one more time:

<By the way, one big weakness of a 4-way 21364 system is going to be memory capacity.>

Read this:

samsungelectronics.com

Volume Q1 2000.
256 MBit RDRAM.. so it appears the mythical 4 CPU 21364
server will be able to handle up to 32 GBytes.

Rob