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To: Null Dog Ago who wrote (2276)	9/15/1999 12:41:00 AM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6418

Pop music is full of nihilism and youthful scorn ... I am not aware of any that carries a directly atheistic message. It is good practice to distinguish atheism (an active, positivist concept) from mere absence of religion. Those who would blur the distinction invariably have an evangelistic motive.

To: Null Dog Ago who wrote (2276)	9/15/1999 12:46:00 AM
From: E	Respond to of 6418

Start with John Stuart Mill why don't you? And Thomas Paine. There are many freethought classics. You don't need a bibliography from me. Use a search engine. Google.com is a good one. Or a librarian. It's almost 1 am. Maybe tomorrow, if you promise to read them and give a book report, I'll be more in the mood to come up with a reading list. I somehow suspect the moronic lyrics of pop songs are not freethought classics. Just a sneaking suspicion. Are you sure atheism is "espoused" in colleges, rather than college being simply, for the first time in a student's entire school history, a forum in which the subject of theism vs. atheism is open for free discussion? You don't object, do you, to, in discussions in either Moral Philosophy classes or Comparative Religion classes or in free debate, the atheist side being represented? (Rhetorical question; I'm sure you don't.) As you have seen here, theists tend to think that if they don't have full control of the lectern at school, that is an example of atheism-espousal. You know something? I just lost interest in this whole subject.

To: Null Dog Ago who wrote (2276)	9/15/1999 12:53:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6418

<< Atheism is everywhere, even a portion of televangelists are just frauds out for money. I don't know about what you speak of, give me some of the literature. >> You see no contradiction here? Atheism is everywhere, but you've never seen it? And now money hungry televangelists are Atheists? Oh, I get it. We are the cause of everything bad. How simple. Why didn't I ever think of that. Del

To: Null Dog Ago who wrote (2276)	9/15/1999 8:55:00 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6418

A very good, concise atheist exposition can be found in Bertrand Russell's essay, Why I Am Not a Christian.

To: Null Dog Ago who wrote (2276)	9/15/1999 11:51:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6418

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life. I believe the equality of man, and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy. But, lest it should be supposed that I believe many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them. I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. Tom Paine, The Age of Reason [Easily obtained, by the way]