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To: gao seng who wrote (970)	9/15/1999 10:31:00 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

<< Some of those escaping the FBI told of fireballs attacking their home. >> You've got this wrong. They complained of religious fundamentalist "gumballs", not fireballs. They complained that every where they went they were told that their souls could be saved by giving up lots and lots of money. And, to prove that their souls were saved, they had a money back guarantee that they could collect upon, if they had any complaints after they were dead. You complain about the free enterprise of the news services in this country, but you accept without thought the money hungry fundamentalist greedy scams that go on everyday.

To: gao seng who wrote (970)	9/15/1999 11:03:00 PM
From: Merritt	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1449

Gao Seng: When I read some of these notes from doctrinaire democrats, or doctrinaire anybody, it brings to mind an observation made by Andre Malreaux, "The problem with democracy is that one gets the government one deserves." Cynical, but when enough people put on blinders, such as a couple of posters to this thread, then we get someone like Clinton. A while back someone posted "I am always bemused to read here and elsewhere the hard right attacks on the FBI's "jack-booted thugs." Today's right wingers are saying exactly the same thing Jerry Rubin said when he founded the Yippie Party in 1968. How the wheel turns!<G>" To which I replied, "The wheel may turn, but the cart remains the same." I'm not sure that was clear enough for the doctrinaire, but what I was thinking of was a cart (bureaucracy) being pulled by a horse (the IRS), and driven by a teamster (politician), and rolling on wheels (government enforcement agencies). The cart has it's own inertia, and wants to roll blindly along in the same direction because that's the easiest thing to do. Sometimes there's a bump in the road which the driver is supposed to avoid, but either through inattention, a conniving disposition, or because he doesn't like anything "different," the driver just lets those wheels roll along, crushing whatever's in it's way - whether it's the Wobblies, or Hooverville, or the students at Kent State, or people up on Ruby Ridge or down in Waco - those wheels keep on turnin' and churnin,' and they leave bloody ruts to mark their passage. A few years ago there was a series of articles in, I believe, The Los Angeles Times, that delineated Clinton's mishandling of Federal monies. As I recall, the money was supposed to be restricted to loans for small business, but part of it was diverted to large corporations. Clinton, as a governor at the time, had to personally sign off on each loan. Out of 80 something loans, most paper work had been "lost," but of the 25, or so, that still had a paper trail there were several that showed they were not proper, and thus illegal. I only read the first article that appeared in the Sunday edition of the S.F. Chronicle because that was all that was printed...the rest of it just went away...poof, never to be seen again. I wondered what could have happened, after all that's pretty sensational stuff...plus the Republicans should eat it up. Then it occurred to me that a majority of the governors at that time were Republican...and the only thing that made any sense for this thing to be silenced was that most, if not all of the state governors were using that money as their own little slush fund. Our newspapers, owned by the "elite" of our society, have a congruence of interest, and without actually conspiring, will come up with the same interpretation of "what's good for our country." That's why there isn't a truly free press, IMHO, and why the Internet may hold so much promise...if it's allowed to remain free. But those who will not see, do not understand.