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To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (1038)	9/16/1999 3:39:00 PM
From: Merritt	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

Jim: <<(2) The leaders of the raid had orders to abort if the element of surprise was lost . ( they broke orders ) and if we look at those orders, "surprise" then we know this was not a mission to serve a warrant, ( which by the way they didn't have ">> I read somewhere that because someone in the complex was a registered firearms dealer, the ATF didn't need a warrant to search the property. If that's true, then it seems to me that the only reason for submitting a warrant application would be to mention drugs, and thereby be able to enlist, or legitimize, the use of the National Guard and Army.

To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (1038)	9/16/1999 5:38:00 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

<< ... but we do need to show the world we are capable of holding those who abuse power accountable. >> This is a great test of our democracy. But, let's not turn this into a political circus. Let's hold those responsible and not find some scapegoats. If our system is strong enough to punish "those in power" who have abused power, it would also prove that our system has not gone mad and is still a beacon of justice. << Negotiators jawbone for 11 hours with various Davidians, including 7 hours and 38 minutes with KORESH. >> This shows an effort to resolve things peacefully. This certainly doesn't represent gestapo tactics. << The FBI delivers six gallons of milk to the compound. >> This does not portray a group of blood thirsty killers. << On several occasions, tactical pressure is exerted on the Davidians either without consulting the negotiators or over the negotiators' objections. >> We could only second guess whether this was a good or bad decision at the time. << The not only did the FBI fail to heed the advice of their own psychological profilers, the infighting got so bad that their top advisor resigned in obvious protest. >> This doesn't support the theory that our government has gone mad and is out of control. This portrays bad management and bad decisions. Hopefully the investigations will show who needs to lose their jobs, and the government will take appropriate action. << I feel there was an order somewhere in the pipeline from some upper echolons to destroy the building one way or another it was just shot up to bad to ever let the news media see it close up. >> This I find a little absurd. No ranking official would ever give such an order, especially with the entire world watching, knowing he could be brought up on criminal charges for it. And, the individual members of the FBI would have protested. << From that point on those Dividains still in the building were as good as dead. >> But, they were as good as dead by their own choice. With the whole world watching all they had to do was release the children to run out of the building. Do you really believe that the FBI would have gunned down 20 to 40 children fleeing the building in front of the world and many witnesses? The blame for the deaths of the cult members and their children obviously lies at the grave of David Koresh. Hopefully he fully enjoys the fires of Hell.

To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (1038)	9/16/1999 8:37:00 PM
From: Les H	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1449

FOCUS-Examiners used against U.S. bank bill-report WASHINGTON, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Bank examiners from an arm of the U.S. Treasury were used earlier this year to find bank executives who would side with the White House against Republican-proposed financial legislation, a congressional report released on Thursday said. The report by staff of the Senate Banking Committee said officers from a large national bank contacted the Senate Banking Committee Jan. 29 concerned that examiners from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) had asked for names of bankers that could be cited publicly. Phil Gramm, the Texas Republican who chairs the committee, said the episode was an abuse of regulatory power. Gramm sponsored legislation that was passed by the Senate in May that would reduce OCC's authority in favor of the Federal Reserve. It would also exempt small, rural banks from the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) which mandates banks lend in poor areas where they take deposits and make it harder for community groups to use CRA to challenge bank mergers. The White House has said President Clinton would veto a final bill containing these provisions. OCC spokesman Robert Garsson said the agency agreed the use of bank examiners was inappropriate. ``This was a request from Treasury that was inappropriately passed down the line,' Garsson said. Comptroller John Hawke put a stop to the project and issued advice to staff reminding them to keep the examination process free from any suggestion of political activity, Garsson said. The White House, which established a team to support CRA in late 1998, said OCC had misinterpreted an instruction coming out of a December strategy meeting. ``I think there was one ... particular communication with Treasury that it's my best guess was misinterpreted at OCC and inappropriate contacts were made,' said Clinton spokesman Joe Lockhart. Gramm, who is looking for his version of financial reform to prevail in House-Senate negotiations, said the report showed how vulnerable regulators could be when part of a politically driven entity like the Treasury. ``This is vivid evidence of the danger posed by the administration's proposal to take regulatory power from the independent Federal Reserve and give it to the Treasury Department,' Gramm said in a statement. The House bill reflected the Treasury position that banks be allowed to get into businesses like merchant banking and securities underwriting through direct operating subsidiaries, which fall under Treasury supervision. The Senate bill would have banks use holding companies, supervised by the Fed. Hawke, who was given a temporary recess appointment by President Clinton just weeks before the bank complaint about the examiners, is expected to be formally approved by Gramm's committee next week. >>>Another sign of corruption in the White House and the >>>Democrats in Congress.