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To: Teflon who wrote (357)9/17/1999 4:36:00 PM
From: gdichaz  Respond to of 1817
 
Teflon: Seems like a good idea to me. You have my vote. Cha2



To: Teflon who wrote (357)9/17/1999 5:01:00 PM
From: Brian K Crawford  Respond to of 1817
 
Subj: NetStock! by Steve Harmon 1999.09.17 CMGI vs. ICGE, Unscrambled
Date: 09/17/1999 4:34:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: steve@e-harmon.com (Steve Harmon)
Sender: netstock-report-admin@listserve.com
To: netstock-report@listserve.com

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e-harmon.com's
NetStock! by Steve Harmon
ceo of e-harmon.com
"for the internet investor"
e-harmon.com
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Shortly after going public a few weeks ago Internet Capital Group (ICGE)
surpassed CMGI (CMGI) in market value. September 16 ICGE was $9.3 billion
market cap vs. CMGI's $7.8 billion. Justified?

Observers tossed up the usual buzz words and said ICG was more
business-to-business. Let's unscramble the alphabet venture soup here and
see if there's anything other than a noodle tease at play here.

Company CMGI Internet Capital
Ticker CMGI ICGE
Mkt cap $7,786 $9,295
TTM sales $148 $6
TTM earnings $56 $32
Ratios
Mkt cap/sales 53 1,583
Mkt cap/earn 140 289

Estimated
company/all assets
value* $11,250 $8,750

Number of wholly-owned 45 35
or portfolio companies

Harmon's estimated
value gap between 250 250
PMV and public 69% 106%

note: pmv=private market value or what each firm's assets could be worth
fairly valued
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While business-to-business is hot and should command a premium as a sector,
that doesn't mean that underlying valuation and potential can be ignored,
or that ICG wins by marketing.

We can pick apart each of the firms' portfolios but rather than play
"dot-com" what ifs we can use a statistic approach combined with historical
investment acumen to determine a broader based view of CMGI vs. ICGE. On a
generic $250 million per unit the value adds up quickly for both firms yet
shows.

Not just a factor of the number of investments, however, what each firm has
done in the past 4 years also matters.

My analysis indicates that taking CMGI's operating and investments all
together could be valued at my estimated $11.25 billion. Plenty of B-2-B in
there and B-2-C (consumer) also.

The key difference is platform and track record. CMGI has pulled off
stadium-cheering moments with Lycos (LCOS) and GeoCities (now part of
Yahoo). It still owns 18% of LCOS. Now consider also AltaVista, one of the
top sites and services in the world for Web users, which CMGI just acquired
from Compaq. It ranks in the top 10-12 any given month according to Media
Metrix.

CMGI owns about 80% of Engage (ENGA), with a market cap of $1.6 billion.
Between AltaVista and Engage I find $3.6 billion of value. Half what CMGI
trades for and we haven't discussed its 40 more investments.

Focusing on ICG, using a generic value per each of its 35 investments I
come up with $8.75 billion valuation for ICGE. Which means that September
16's market cap was a 6% premium to what I think ICGE could or "ought" to
be valued at. Again, this median public/private market valuation factors
some stars and duds in its portfolio.

Both firms are portfolio driven with quarterly results that make
predictions meaningless on the revenue side. Whatever the market mood for
IPOs, acquisitions and mergers have more direct bearing on CMGI and ICGE,
with more influence on the latter one.

ICGE announced September 16 a loss of $11 million for the quarter ended
June 30. Unpredictable. For example, 2Q 1998 ICGE posted $6.7 million net
income when it realized gains on investing in VerticalNet (VERT).

VERT's the only thing ICG has to its credit so far, and I've always
believed that the promise of VerticalNet and the delivered results have
been two different things.

VERT is a home run and feather in ICG's cap but not a grand slam in the
industry. In other words, VerticalNet is not yet a hit in its sector as
measured by revenue and users.

VERT's market cap September 16 hit $1.1 billion. ICGE owns a small piece.
Even if it owned it 100% that's still not big enough of a blip.

GeoCities, in contrast, was a grand slam and Lycos was a paltry million
dollars parlayed into several billion by CMGI. Millions of users each.
Engage is a more recent example of value created.

More than buzzwords or following the herd, the numbers tell the story so
far, just not in the market caps being reflective of the results so far.
Both have potential but soup to nuts it's time for alphabet soups CMGI and
ICGE value gaps to get unscrambled.

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To: Teflon who wrote (357)9/17/1999 5:10:00 PM
From: gdichaz  Respond to of 1817
 
Briefing.com view. For what it is worth. Sometimes this outfit has good reporting and ideas, other times not. For info:

13:53 ET ******

(Daytrader) : Momentum theme du jour: B2B. As visibility has improved over the past 6-8 months, B2B (business-to-business) stocks have supplanted B2C (business-to-consumer) as the vehicle of choice for participation in the e-commerce explosion. These market newcomers are where the B2C companies were 18-months ago -- logging triple/quadruple digit growth and possessing modest relative valuations and nimble stocks (i.e. small floats)... Briefing.com began following this group in April of last year, when we highlighted BroadVision Inc (BVSN 115 15/32 +9 19/32) in the "Undiscovered Internet Stocks" Series (see Story). BVSN shares have soared 500% since our first report... We followed up that piece in July of this year with a discussion of the e-commerce market opportunity and several of the companies addressing it (see story)... Today, BVSN, along with several recent initial public offerings, being bid up on heels of bullish comments by Goldman Sachs. The firm is bedazzling investors with major study on the B2B sector. In report, Goldman estimates that the B2B market in the U.S. will grow to approx. $1.5 trillion by 2004, from just $39 billion in 1998. The quantification of the opportunity in the B2B space has ignited a wave of buying in sector stocks, the majority of which have IPO'd this year. Benefitting from the report are names like Commerce One (CMRC 95 3/8 +15 1/8), Ariba (ARBA 132 +8 5/8), VerticalNet (VERT 327 1/4 +3 7/16), PurchasePro.com (PPRO 25 5/8 +1 5/8) and BroadVision (BVSN 15 15/32 +9 19/32)... According to Goldman, the industries most likely to embrace B2B solutions are: Computer Hardware and Software; Aerospace/Defence; Electronics; Chemicals; Motor Vehicles and Parts; and Medical Equipment and Transport... Companies Goldman Sachs expects to be biggest beneficiaries of B2B e-commerce include the aforementioned Ariba Inc (ARBA) and VerticalNet (VERT), along with software giants Oracle Corp (ORCL) and SAP AG (SAP). E-healthcare services company Healtheon also made the list. - D

Cha2



To: Teflon who wrote (357)9/21/1999 6:13:00 PM
From: StockHawk  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1817
 
A Godzilla Game Cheat Sheet (taken from chapter 12 of The Gorilla Game)

The Internet is a "dramatically discontinuous innovation". It will be used to make existing institutions more productive and in some cases to "do away with them altogether." A "global reengineering of inefficient markets."

In looking at the business-to-consumer market the book divides people into shoppers (those who love to shop) and buyers (those who hate to shop). For the buyers "the Internet is a godsend" and for the shoppers, who can browse widely and engage in communities of like-minded individuals "There has never been anything remotely equivalent to the power and scope of this offer"

But, "For pure opportunity to reengineer inefficient markets, ...there is nothing to compare with the business-to-business sector."

They see a class of businesses which they call "transaction exchanges" that will establish "many- to-many" markets. eBay is using this model for sales between individuals. Other companies will use this model for sales between businesses. The relationship based one-to-one selling of brokers and the like is in trouble.

The book identifies 7 competitive advantages that transaction service business can have. How they measure up with regard to these advantages is a key to evaluating who the leaders will be. The 7 competitive advantages are:

1. Switchboard/exchange position: the advantage enjoyed by companies that position themselves as transaction brokers (think of eBay or Priceline), especially in business-to-business.

2. Brand: the ability to attract new customers (Amazon or Yahoo or, again eBay)

3. Value chain position: Ability to control access, and to derive revenue from it. Might be called portal power. (AOL or Yahoo or VerticalNet).

4. Specialization: very specific niche marketing is possible on the Internet and a site can develop a community of participants. (VerticalNet).

5. Stickiness: the ability to keep a customer at a site with the goal of turning visits into sales.

6. Low-cost business design: A double edged sword - lower cost structures allow lower prices which draws customers, but as low price leads to commoditization no one can earn superior returns.

7. Experience curve: The ability of a early mover into a space to leverage their experience into competitive advantages (E*Trade).

Not all the 7 have equal weight. The first is most important, the last two least important.

Some final notes: Godzilla investing is entails much more risk than playing Gorilla games. Also, it is much better to select individual stocks based on the 7 criteria than to buy baskets of stocks, as is done in Gorilla games.

StockHawk



To: Teflon who wrote (357)10/6/1999 10:21:00 PM
From: Uncle Frank  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1817
 
Teflon, we know you're back, so quit ignoring your duties and get this thread humming again. How are we supposed to make money in Godzillas with out your help?

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