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To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (51415)9/19/1999 6:43:00 PM
From: IndioBlues  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 95453
 
A couple of new thoughts on FGI

(Mind wandered a little while I was watching Seahawks back-ass into an ugly win over the Bears. Heh Heh)

(1) Fundamental Trouble for the Yards? Naaah

Slider: If the case for new-builds is so bleak wouldn't it make sense to be shorting the second tier yards (e.g., UFAB, GIFI -- apologies to B Bull <vbg>) in addition to and even heavier than FGI? In a dwindling pie scenario isn't the top yard a safer bet than than the competitors? Since across-the-board shorting doesn't seem to be happening, maybe selling and extreme short interest in FGI is not at all attributable to macro-conditions but rather temporary conditions unique to FGI.

In any case, I do disagree that FGI's new build biz is hopeless... there's the Illion hull and the two Ocean Rig hulls which alone could account for $600 million. I higlighted the Illion excerpt for the August 10Q in a recent post, and Big Dog added his thoughts on Ocean Rig's hulls. And we're still not even counting the deals yet to see the light of day -- per B Dog.

Beyond THAT, I think I read Matt Simmon's comment somewhere (probalby ODB) that FGI's margin on re-furbs and repair exceeds new builds. JL might be thinking he'll turn all that 20-30 yr. old cold stacked iron into tall cotton.

(2) Selling Pressure

The merger more than likely will be consummated, particularly now that the terms are sweetened for HLX. Upon merging, those institutions owing both FGI and HLX will instantly become heavily overweighted in FGI. Unless a compelling case can be made to maintain the overweight (ironically, the nasty high short interest and a few new orders/rebuild orders might to exactly that), those institutions will have to sell FGI. If any of that selling is happening now, it is obviously forcing FGI stock onto a reluctant market -- one that is starved of credible substantive information due to the SEC 'quiet' rules and an unfortunately non-reactive or indifferent FGI management.

And why wouldn't the selling occur now? Dump FGI and buy HLX now and you wind up post-merger with lower-basis FGI courtesy of the arbitrage premium. If this dynamic is at work it seems obvious that FGI will drift lower short term. But in my view, that will only create a wonderful buying window for this fundamentally sound, industry leader that seems to be picking up HLX cheap -- especially if the Navy deals work out.

So, are there institutions institutions with meaningful positions in both FGI and HLX? As near as I can tell from Vickers there are four (as of 6/30/99)

FGI / HLX

Barclays Bank: 487,000 / 483,000
Citigroup: 316,000 / 807,000
Taunus Corp.: 228,000 / 162,000
Vanguard Grp.: 187,000 / 440,000

Just my 2cents. Leaving now for a BBQ at the park. Its mid-70s and blue sky here in Seattle. Damn, I love this City on days like this. Regards all.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (51415)9/19/1999 8:02:00 PM
From: BigBull  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 95453
 
Slider, Re: FGI - By no means do I consider your post to be anything but well thought out and hard bitten analyses based on current conditions. In fact I am on the verge of throwing in the towel on Big Oil offshore capex spending - for this year! New spending in the GOM by the biggies just doesn't appear to be happening. I do however believe this condition to be VERY temporary, and that "pent up" demand is starting to build. The large offshore fields are the only fields that big oil can drill in that make economic sense to them. The last big land oil fields that the majors would be really interested in exist in the ME. OK, MAYBE Russia. But Russia is a double edged sword, is it not? Now, if your case against offshore drilling (and subsequent need for new rigs) is built on the assumption that ME fields will be opened up, then, your case becomes utterly compelling. If they are not, then the majors have no other place to go to replace reserves in the size that would interest them. Big oil companies can only "just pump" for so long. When, not if, they do begin to drill offshore in earnest again, imo it will be "with a vengeance". The $64,000 question is WHEN! I thought sooner - you say later - so far YOU WIN. But consider this, every day brings us closer to the new budgets. <VBG>

WRT the last cycle. As you know, it has been my contention that this oil cycle will outstrip the last. My arguments have been largely "soft" ones and secular. But now the "facts" are starting to come in. Every, and I mean EVERY professional oil analyst (Abby Cohen & Don Wolanchuk excluded <HUGE BIG GRIN>) has severly MISJUDGED the economic recovery in developing countries. IMO it ain't rocket science to understand that these economies will drive most NEW oil demand and subsequent capex expenditures going forward. On a historical basis, interest rates are still incredibly low. I can remember when I would have given my left Rocky Mountain Oyster for "hat sized" bond yields, much less 6%! The spending wave demographics are solidly in place and ARE firing growth in developing countries. This will IMO WITHOUT A DOUBT drive energy demand far past the last cycle. This is why I continue to view the analyses coming from even the sharpest individuals with a jaundiced eye, and why I hope to double down on FGI some time in the future, and buy the rest of the fabs, if I am able. IMO there just won't be enough rigs available to supply swelling demand. Remember, Asia and the rest on of the developing world, is going through a major secular shift, from agrarian societies, to industrial ones. This is process will, IMO, resemble that of the "West" 60 to 70 years ago. Energy demand from these areas will, IMO, outstrip the "Western Economies". The Pie Shrinking? Au Contraire, Mon Ami, the pie is increasing every day. It is a pie called DEMAND. Soon even the major oil execs will get this. Conventional economic theory does NOT include demographic cycles as much as it should, this why so many economists are utterly astonished at the length and breadth of this U.S. economic cycle. Oil company exec. probably use the same faulty models to project demand. It is my view that people just don't understand the power of the whole world being in a demographically based spending wave upcycle. This cycle will make the last one look like a piker. Will drillships and "technology" make DEEEEP water rigs obsolete? Maybe, I think not. Perhaps The RigDog can shine his professional doggy light on this one for us. I'd love to hear the wonderfull oil pros on the board weigh in on this one. One thing it won't make obsolete are tankers, ferry boats, yachts, coast guard vessels, barges, and on and on. Korea can't make 'em hall. Plus, currency valuations are starting to favor dollar based industrial manufacturers. Hey, I'm doin' "the vision thing" again. <g>

A lot of the debate about the fabs reminds me of the same arguements I heard about offshore drillers back in the winter time. Don't buy value - book value is meaningless when nobody wants a rig, don't buy your OS stocks until the majors increase capex, draconian cuts, death spiral, $5 dollar oil, 1 800 BANKRUPTCY.... etc. and so forth. Well, you know what happened, just check the recent prices of FLC, DO, PDE, RIG, ...etc. IMO some of the best VALUE in the patch is now to be found in the fabs. The tremendous amount of short interest in FGI can also be viewed as a powerful contrary indicator at a market extreme. Unless FGI goes BK most of the easy short money has been made. IMO those shorting now, are real Johnnie Come Latelies trying to squeeze a few nickels out. This is turning into a totally one - sided market. When everybody trades one way I look to trade the other. Clearly, I was wrong in timing my purchase of FGI. The fabs, and seismics have been the only stocks in the patch that have given me any trouble. They will turn, just you wait. We've got to be near the bottom - everybody HATES 'em. Especially Wall Street.<g> There's "Blood in the streets." That's what the Bulls nose smells.

Right now I'm mainly in E$P's, and assorted OS co.'s that look good technically. If I am fortunate enough to make some money here I will begin to seriuosly buy the FABs. I will average in and use time to MY advantage. I am at the shorter end of that three - nine month buying time frame you mentioned.

Ever your humble and obsequeious servant <TITANIC BIG GRIN>

Bull

PS. Yeah, sometimes I get emotional, must be my "inner child" erupting! <g> But damn, if we can't have a little fun from time to time, why do it. Just think what would this thread would be if totally populated by green eye-shade types? BOOOOOORING!