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To: Rich1 who wrote (23735)	9/22/1999 9:34:00 PM
From: Logain Ablar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34809

Rich: No idea. Just of the 8 tested only two passed. The other six (and I don't remember if the lincoln was part of the test) produced some pretty bad injuries (the Jeep was not the way to go nor the land rover). Maybe one of the consumer reports sites Tim

To: Rich1 who wrote (23735)	9/22/1999 9:48:00 PM
From: Lost1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34809

Rich, I have a navigator and I can't imagine it not doing well in a crash test. The fact is that the laws of physics have not changed much. That is one HEAVY vehicle. Ever changed a flat on one? Better bring a bigger jack than they provide. On a hill?..forget it. Have you seen that new Ford Abominator<g>..It's HUGE!!! 4 tons

To: Rich1 who wrote (23735)	9/23/1999 11:58:00 AM
From: Raymond Clutts	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34809

WAY OFF TOPIC Typically, the Navigator isn't in the same size and weight class as the other SUVs and so they don't include it in class comparison testing that involves the Grand Cherokee, MB-Class, Land Rover etc... The only valid size and weight comparisons are between it and the GM Suburban and other GM vehicles based on that same platform. The real concern in the SUV tests is how much damage the OTHER vehicle sustains since it's a given that the SUV occupant is better protected in a larger vehicle with a higher seat. (OK there are roll over concerns too, but who uses really these things as anything more than an armored personnel carrier?) I too own a Navigator (going on 2 1/2 years & 40k miles) and if memory serves Lincoln recently modified its frame so that its extended bumper will always meet those bumpers of even much smaller vehicles avoiding that process of submarining over a smaller car on impact and crushing its occupants. Speaking strictly as a Darwinian survivor of Chicago rush hour traffic during the winters, when I am involved in an accident I want the largest amount of metal possible around me. To avoid those accidents I also like to take the highest ground (ie highest seat) so that I can see these incidents develop and avoid them before they happen. Finally, I like a vehicle that has great package fo four wheel drive, traction control and on point steering so that I can maneuver in bad weather (50-60% of the time here in Chicago). So far the Lincoln has delivered all of that at a very reasonable price with great amenities (Lincoln now includes gas and brake pedals that vary their heights to accommodate different drivers just as the seats adjust). My service experience has been wonderful (almost perfect mechanically) and the vehicle is big enough so that under some obscure IRS Revenue Ruling if you characterize it as a business use truck you can use an accelerated three year schedule that lets you fully depreciate the entire cost over that term.