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To: Machaon who wrote (27204)	9/24/1999 1:18:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Robert, I think you have touched on the the one aspect of Christianity that I most disagree with, and for the very reason that you state. I know many people who are Christian that are warm, loving, spiritual people. People for whom their beliefs are not unlike a beacon on a gray and stormy sea. I admire them and their faith. I also know people who use their faith as a tool to feel superior, as a method of dividing people, and as a club with which to hurt people. Given all that, I feel that teaching people that they are inherently worthless and unclean based on their individual worth, and that doing good works only for the sake of doing good works is a waste of time, is a detriment and a handicap to a good many people. It is the primary reason that I wouldn't desire for my children to be Christians. I work very hard on making sure that my kids have a healthy sense of self worth, that they understand and value the benefits of charity and compassion not only for themselves but for society, and that they understand that all people have equal value regardless of that persons particular circumstances, beliefs, or background. IMO, the concept of original sin works against that. Mark

To: Machaon who wrote (27204)	9/24/1999 2:02:00 PM
From: Sam Ferguson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

No he isn't joking. Its a bible quote. I think you should read it in addition the bible teaches that a father may sell his daughter for a slave, [Ex. xxi. 7.] that he may sacrifice her purity to a mob, [Judges xix. 24.] and that he may murder her, and still be a good father and a holy man. It teaches that a man may have any number of wives; that he may sell them, give them away, or change them around, and still be a perfect gentleman, a good husband, a righteous man, and one of God's most intimate friends; and that is a pretty good position for a beginning. And here refer to the 31st chapter of Numbers, but it is unfit to read. It tolls a story of shame and crime unequalled in atrocity. It tells that God commanded Moses and Eleazar, the priest, to produce vice and perpetrate crime on an unparalleled scale. It tells us that they obeyed the order, and that 16,000 helpless girls were dragged in the mire of infamy and divided amongst the victorious soldiers. They were made dissolute by fore, and by direct command of God! For a lighter side of the bible God and the Devil enjoy playing games pitting their wits. Read the book of Job to see how God outsmarted the devil. Pay no attention to the suffering of Job. He was just a pawn in the game.