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Technology Stocks : Cymer (CYMI) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Mani1 who wrote (23108)9/24/1999 3:38:00 PM
From: Curlton Latts  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25960
 
>>>>You can also believe that the industry is growing at 50% per year. Funny how all the expert in the industry disagree with you.<<<

The average expert currently says

52.4% this year
795% next year and
33.0% per year going five years out

biz.yahoo.com

Clearly it is you that is in disagreement with the experts.
I'm sure you have your reasons.

Good Luck To Each And All

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To: Mani1 who wrote (23108)9/27/1999 2:05:00 PM
From: Robert Douglas  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 25960
 
Mani,

You wrote:

Cymer is a greatly managed company with a dominant market position. Probably will make around $1.50 next year and around $2.00 year after that. After that it is really unpredictable. I value them somewhere between $25 and $30.

I think you are being unduly conservative about a "great company with a dominant market position."

Here is a paragraph from Robert Maire at Bear Stearns:

The average cyclical P/E valuation range for the semiconductor equipment industry varies from a cyclical trough of roughly 10X-15X forward trough EPS, to more than 30X forward EPS at the peak. Smaller-cap companies tend to have higher highs and lower lows. On the upside, small-cap, high-growth companies can get 35X-40X forward EPS estimates given their higher-than-average growth rates.

So a year from now, using your earnings numbers, Cymer should be selling at much more than $30 as it anticipates $2.00 the following year. I think a 40 P/E is a very realistic possibility especially given the fact that those averages were computed in cycles where the market multiple was much lower.

One more interesting comment from Mr. Maire's report:

It is important to remember that the cycle in this industry generally lasts approximately four to five years, from peak to peak or trough to trough. It is not a technology cycle, but an oversupply/undersupply cycle more typical of commodity markets. The semiconductor industry spends little time with supply and demand in equilibrium, but rather spends most of its time either building new capacity or using up excess capacity. Given the number of competitors, the pace of technology, the expense involved, and the potential profits and losses, combined with the cyclicality, the industry is either one of two extremes: tremendous acceleration or crushing downturn.

Three or fours years to go in this cycle.