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To: Dayuhan who wrote (3600)	9/28/1999 12:46:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6418

My comment that all politicians lie is not a defense of Clinton, it is a statement of fact. But if all politicians lie, are they really lies any longer? My dictionary defines a lie as "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive." If all politicians lie, and the people by now know it, can the people be deceived, and therefore is there really an intent to deceive? If the intent is only to get elected, is the untrue statement then not a lie! My mother used to say that a lie was "a deliberate deception." You could tell the literal truth and still lie, or tell a literal untruth and not lie (such as saying a person left the house a half-hour ago when they really left thirty-five minutes ago; technically false, but not intended to deceive.)

To: Dayuhan who wrote (3600)	9/29/1999 10:31:00 AM
From: John Lacelle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6418

Steven, The ties between Bill Clinton, his 1996 reelection campaign, the hush money to Webster Hubble, and the hundreds of thousands of dollars given to Clinton's legal defense fund by Riady and the Chinese is not a figment of my imagination. This is all proven fact. Where have you been these past couple of years? You could not have missed all the corruption because it was headline news for months. Fact of the matter is that the Chinese and the Indonesians tried to buy him. It does make you wonder why Clinton is so quiet about East Timor. Yesterday on CNN I duly noted that a bunch of Nuns got slaughtered and then dumped into a streambed after running across some Indonesian Military. So where are the cruise missiles? Where are the airstrikes??? How come Bubba bombs Belgrade for a couple of minor infractions in Kosovo and Indonesia kills tens of thousands in East Timor and Clinton does nothing? Explain that to me. You claim to be the expert. -John