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To: jbe who wrote (56333)	9/28/1999 12:53:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Respond to of 108807

I was actually hoping you'd show up. I value your opinion on the subject much more than I value my own, for obvious reasons...

To: jbe who wrote (56333)	9/28/1999 1:15:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I agree that Gorbachev was sincerely interested in reform. I am interested in the source of his support in the Politburo...I think we owe him something, but it is unseemly to give him credit for not having democratic accountability....And the Politburo did, ultimately, withdraw support, and it really was Yeltsin who rallied the democratic opposition---- unless you have an inside story not widely reported. If so, I would be curious to hear about it......

To: jbe who wrote (56333)	9/28/1999 1:30:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

And BTW, I also think we owe Gorbachev A LOT. No democratically elected President could possibly have made the kind of concessions to the "other side" that he made; outraged voters would have thrown him out the very next day ("What are you, some kind of commie??" Or, "What are you, some kind of capitalist??") And why does Gorbachev still get mobbed by admirers when he comes over here? Because HE is the man many Americans think deserves primary credit for ending the Cold War. And I don't think Yeltsin personally brought anything "crashing down." But that's another -- and even longer -- story. Joan, can you recommend a good book on recent political turmoil in Russia? I have read quite a lot on the history of the region but nothing on recent events which are equally noteworthy as anything in the first half of the century... in fact maybe you have written a book?? A spy novel that I haven't read yet - written by a US intelligence and espionage expert, himself a former spy - claims that some in the KGB still thing Gorbechev was a double agent for the US, that the fall of communism was an effective American plot.... Michelle