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To: Zoltan! who wrote (57724)	10/7/1999 5:19:00 PM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

This is exactly the sort of ad hominem attack that is not welcome on this thread. If you wish to have a debate, stick to the topic and try to show a bit of respect. E is a close personal friend in 3D as well as in cyberspace. Although we do not agree on the issue of Ronald Reagan and his utility in helping to shape the world in which we live today, she is a highly intelligent woman and deserves your respect. Your having a sharp disagreement does not justify your treating her as though she were a Thread Moron; in fact, your treatment of her is bringing you close to nomination yourself. You are not a stupid person. Please stop behaving as though you were. These personal attacks reflect very poorly on you and undermine everything you might have to say.

To: Zoltan! who wrote (57724)	10/7/1999 5:20:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

The Ronald Reagan Library web site says Reagan was stationed in Culver City, California. For those of us who don't know much about California, like me, Culver City is in Los Angeles, close to Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. Here are some excerpts from official bio: Jan 24, 1940 Reagan and Jane Wyman married. They met while making the movie, "Brother Rat." Jan 04 1941 Maureen was born 1942 The Army Air Force called Reagan to active duty and assigned Lieutenant Reagan to the 1st Motion Picture Unit in Culver City, California, where he made over 400 training films. Jul 22 1943 The Army promoted Reagan to the rank of Captain Dec 09 1945 The Army discharged Captain Reagan.

To: Zoltan! who wrote (57724)	10/7/1999 11:16:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Zoltan, you write <<<Perfectly understandable considering that for the duration of the war he was stationed in San Francisco, Fort Morgan or Fort Hal Roach and living apart from his wife. In addition, Jane Wyman was off filming on location (w/ men unfit for service like Gregory Peck) or doing publicity tours most of the rest of the time. While I do not doubt that RR and his wife got to see each other more than those stationed in Europe, the fact is that he and Jane were living apart.>>> I'm relieved, Zoltan, to see that at last you perceive the unloveliness of Reagan's making common claim with those who didn't live in Hollywood with their wives to having been deprived, like them, by the war of the creature comforts like making love to his wife. Now all we have to do is establish where he and Jane were during the war! From Garry Wills, Reagan's America. "...Where had he been that he could not make love to his wife? They had been in the same town for the last three years. Their only [NOTE 'ONLY.' E] prolonged time of separation was Wyman's tour of the Southern States as part of a bond drive [I mentioned this absence in my first posting of this. E] -- she got farther from Hollywood than he ever did. Yet Reagan obviously believes he was 'off to war.'..." ..."Reagan... was assigned to clerical duties at San Francisco. Even in the short time [NOTE SHORT TIME] he was there [in San Francisco], he was often called away to support the war by personal appearances, and he was soon [NOTE SOON. E] back in Los Angeles as part of an Air Force team at the Hal Roach studio in Culver City. His war duty was to make more war movies... He was not only an airman on the screen, but an officer in the actual Air Force, though he still would not go up in an airplane." BTW, Zoltan, is the "Fort Hal Roach" to which you refer the Hal Roach Studio, in Culver City, LA? I found nothing about a visit to Fort Morgan. Would you tell me about it? In one of your posts I believe you stated that Reagan served in Airforce Intelligence. Where did you find that? I am not denying it, but have been unable to find a source stating any service except moviemaking. Grateful for your help. In my next post I will explain to you why I believe Reagan so easily promulgated that parasitic myth.

To: Zoltan! who wrote (57724)	10/7/1999 11:18:00 PM
From: E	Respond to of 108807

Perhaps you will be interested in this, from Wills. It is fascinating, and explains clearly, I think, precisely why Reagan would have found it easy to do that disreputable thing, capitalizing on the sacrifices of war heroes: "Since Reagan's popularity was at its peak when he entered the Army, and Wyman's was growing, theirs became the quintessential wartime parting, he to the front and she to keep up things at home. ... When Reagan returned to LA in a Few weeks, for his film work, the fan magazines continued to treat him as "off at war." Modern Screen wrote: 'it's nine months now since Ronald Reagan said, 'so long, Button-nose,' to his wife and baby, and went off to join his regiment.' The article describes Wyman's loneliness... Where was he? Movie Life covered Reagan's arrival with Wyman at the opening of his picture, This is the Army, as if he were back in town for the event... [BUT! E] Reagan had made This Is the Army in Los Angeles, where he made all his military movies. He showed up at other events, and the press left it obscure where he was coming 'home' from... When Reagan went with Wyman to the Hollywod Canteen, Movie Life assured its readers he was home 'on a short leave.' A leave from where? ... Photoplay ... said Reagan had been 'temporarily' returned to Burbank... Modern Screen was still writing, 'After Ronnie left Jane and Hollywood for Army, his fan mail swelled....' His wife continued to be treated as the brave one... She was described as choosing dresses that would match his uniform when he came home on leave. Where was he? Well, on the day that Hiroshima was bombed, he was driving across town to the Disney studio... " etc. Now you can see why the temptation to pretend to have been separated from his beloved wife, in common with those who were separated from theirs, was not resisted. He was used to that pretense. Your position in relation to the comment of Reagan's under discussion is, of course, precisely like that of the readers of Modern Screen to the prevarications of the time. It is rather sweet to think of you being so naive, while acting so gruff.