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To: Kid Rock who wrote (27570)	10/7/1999 7:09:00 PM
From: Neenny	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Hey Tom, I have been meaning to mention this to you. I have often read where you have posted stories about tragedies that have been inflicted on children. I know you see this as a travesty. The other day while having coffee with my neighbor. I thought about the number of times you have questioned this. Two things came to mind. First I wondered if you had lost a child or if you life had somehow been effected by the loss of a child. The other thing came to mind, was the opportunity for you to hear from someone who lost their child to murder. Yes, my neighbor and I were discussing the murder of her 1 year old. It happened 4 years ago in Virginia. Her other two children witnessed this event. She would be happy to post to you about it or "chat" with you about this. She has a first hand perspective. She does not blame God. Neenny

To: Kid Rock who wrote (27570)	10/7/1999 10:16:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

" But back up, and ask yourself, why would an all powerful God allow such a tragedy in the first place? It doesn't make any sense." Does the suffering, Crucifixion and death of the Son of God make sense to the carnal and worldly mind? Why did God allow this tragedy? Why did he allow the Apostles to be murdered by the nonbelievers? Why did He allow thousands of martyrs to die at the hands of the pagans? The suffering and holy blood of Christ became the salvation of mankind. The blood of the martyrs and saints become the seed of faith. The greater the persecution, the stronger the Church. Steve's quoted article gives a profound spiritual rationale for the tragedy in Texas. Do you know why you are blind to the realities in this article?

To: Kid Rock who wrote (27570)	10/8/1999 1:44:00 AM
From: Andy Thomas	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Thomas, >>But back up, and ask yourself, why would an all powerful God allow such a tragedy in the first place? It doesn't make any sense.<< Sometimes I ask the same types of questions. Part of me wonders though, who am I to question God? Is God someone I can manipulate? Am I the judge? What does God see that I do not? What do I see that God does not? Do you believe in God as a single, sentient being; or perhaps a committee ala Zeus and the rest? Is there an ultimate power; a single being who built and controls everything? Many - be they Christians, Jews, Moslems, Catholics, or one of many other sects - believe there is. Is there free will or predestination? Once a man asked why those who lived upright lives were afflicted with all manner of tragedy and diseases while those who lived wicked lives often seemed to get by for a great while unscathed. The answer he found was that the upright are afflicted to show that only God is necessary for happiness, while the wicked "had everything" except God and were miserable for it. Much religion does appear to be thinly veiled social control, but everyone seems to yearn for a "Christ" or "Truth" or "Unconditional Love." The irony of Christianity and the other faiths is just that - as odd as it may sound, they wouldn't be valid if they were provable. Faith is something special a person gains when they become convinced of a certain scheme of things, without being able to prove it. Christians are called to testify, not win debates. Ask a Christian about their personal experience with Christ; ask what type of person they find Christ to be. That would probably cut through a lot of misunderstandings. There is definitely a large mystery out there to be solved. Faith solves - or at least begins to solve it - it for many. The beatitudes alone bring great comfort to many. FWIW Andy

To: Kid Rock who wrote (27570)	10/10/1999 5:05:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Thomas, "I think it is wonderful that you can see the good in this tragic event. But back up, and ask yourself, why would an all powerful God allow such a tragedy in the first place? It doesn't make any sense." Isaiah 55:9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Can't tell you that one.... Purely guessing, but sometimes I wonder if its because we are so dense and stupid, the only way God gets us to listen is by tragedy. Otherwise, we would ignore him! Wouldn't you say, by your own experiences and watching others, most only seek God when tragedy hits? It seems, by human nature, for most, when the goings good, there is no need for God. Its only when things go wrong when God enters the equation........ Just a thought..... God Bless, Steve PS- I guess what I am saying is to blame ourselves when bad things happen because we don't listen when things are good. We are to blame for our own tragedies.....