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To: nihil who wrote (57862)	10/8/1999 10:14:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

Talk about setting up a straw man and then knocking it down! Lynching isn't libertarianism, nor is shooting strikers. Under libertarianism, there would be no laws prohibiting trade unions. There would be no laws establishing segregation. There would be no poll taxes aimed at keeping minorities from voting. And you know it! These social ills were CAUSED BY government, by your own admission. And just how did the robber barons get their monopolies? From government, mostly! Corrupt political patronage, not unrestrained free trade. Yes, the 20th century is more pleasant in many ways than the 19th. And of course, the government tells you that it's because we have a bigger government. I suggest it's because social attitudes have changed, and we demand a more just society. Protecting the innocent from force and fraud is always a legitimate activity of government.

To: nihil who wrote (57862)	10/8/1999 12:56:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

OK, I must admit I was thinking only of the free reign of capitalism that I have read about, primarily in the east coast, with regards to USA circa 1900 and how it was similar to libertarianism. You are correct the racism and imposing religious doctrines of the time were certainly anti-libertarian, if there is such a thing. But I can't see how no schooling for minorities has anything to do with the argument... libertarians are against public institutions like schools... And with regards to the "steel monopoly"... or any monopoly, again, I see that as the free reign of capitalism which libertarians advocate, and that is one of my problems with it. If free enterprise allowed the creation of a monopoly, then I believe libertarians would say leave it be... tossing out the anti-trust concerns we have today. But maybe some of the libertarians here can comment on that.