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To: Skywatcher who wrote (29190)10/10/1999 3:45:00 PM
From: WTMHouston  Respond to of 50167
 
Lots of good reasons not to buy into that argument.

1. Every time there is some kind of correction, someone predicts that it is the start of a bear market. Eventually, one of them will be right, but the fundamentals are strongly against it right now.

2. Interest rates may have come up some, but they are still at historically low levels.

3. There are no indications that the US economy is cooling off enough to cause a bear market -- especially when the rest of the world is recovering and growing again. Next weeks worries don't cause or signal bear markets. Until people get worried, seriously, about next year and the year after, there will be no bear market. I have not seen those kinds of worries.

4. I really like Ike's techo world theory and the wave theory accounts for none of that. Rather, it assumes that everything is fundamentally relative to what it was in the past -- which, IMO, is a faulty assumption.

5. These days, a bear market is more accurately when the market grows less than 5% to 10% over the course of a year. Not a true bear market, I know (and have been through), but it is by some of the past years 20% to 40% gains.

Troy



To: Skywatcher who wrote (29190)10/10/1999 4:09:00 PM
From: WTMHouston  Respond to of 50167
 
An interesting article the other way around...

Will Roaring 2000s jazz up Dow to 41,000?

By Pierre Belec

NEW YORK, Oct 8 (Reuters) - It's a story some Wall Streeters say should be titled: ``The stock market picture in the rear-view mirror was tremendous but there are more great times ahead for investors.'

The market was again dangerous this past week as stocks twisted and turned after last month's selloff. To some people, it looked like the start of a nuclear-winter bear market as the Dow Jones industrial average plummeted by a scary 1,000 points, or nearly 10 percent, from its Aug. 25 high of 11,326.04.

But the brave ones held on tight, confident the bull market is still alive and that things were still hunky-dory.

One expert forecast stocks will continue to make investors rich for another nine years, but then watch out after that.

``Thirty-five thousand to 41,000 is our target for the Dow by the year 2008,' said Harry Dent Jr., author of the just released book ``The Roaring 2000s Investor, Strategies For The Life You Want,' (Simon & Schuster $26).

Outrageous? Not really.

``The rise in the market nine years out will be driven by this massive Baby Boom generation -- the largest group of new workers in history,' he said in an interview.

Dent, a 'Just The Facts Ma'am' kind of guy, said the fuel behind the advance will be two predictable forces: an unprecedented technological revolution coupled with the Boomers reaching their peak spending years before the year 2008.

It's a no brainer. The demographic numbers are in the annual consumer expenditure surveys issued by the Bureau of Labour.

``Statistics show the average person enters the workforce by the age of 19 or 20, goes into an earnings-career-family cycle,' said Dent. ``They raise kids, buy houses, cars and computers then when their children leave the nest, the average person spends less for the rest of their lives.'

The ``Bob Hope' generation led to an economic boom in the '40s and the great times lasted until the group reached a peak in their spending cycle and it brought the economy into recession in the '70s and '80s, he said.

Then, came the awesome Baby Boomers -- those born between 1946 and 1964 -- and the stock market blasted off again like a moonshot.

The Boomers will generate the biggest economic boom ever before they reach retirement and reset their financial goals.

``The birth index and spending of the average U.S. family track the stock market unbelievably closely,' Dent said.

The author said all indications are the economy and stocks will stay bullish until around 2008.

``After that, the market will head lower,' he said.

By the year 2008, the Boomers' spending power will have run its course and that will lead to an economic downturn and, unfortunately, a bear market, Dent said. Typically bear markets can last for 12 to 14 years.

``It all comes down to understanding long-term trends,' he said.

The bad news, though, is the Boomers will reach their most important pre-retirement years of investment accumulation when stocks will be sliding after 2009. Dent estimated the bear market could last until 2022 or 2023.

``That means people's retirement money could be more threatened by that downturn than by the failure to save in the past or the bankruptcy of Social Security,' he said.

Some analysts have been saying the market will be in trouble when the Boomers, who have played a big role in the market's spectacular rise, start to sell their stock holdings as they reach retirement age.

They said there's a bigger risk than ever of a major market shakeout. During the market's last headlong tumble in 1987, people had $180 billion invested in 1,000 mutual funds. Now, there's an eye-popping $3.3 trillion invested in 7,000 funds.

Also, 25 percent of the average U.S. household has a stake in the stock market compared with just 10 percent in 1987.

For the time being, cash is still flowing into stock mutual funds. Investors pumped $9.21 billion into the funds in August, bringing the total for the first eight months of the year to $112.0 billion. At the same time last year, more than $132.0 billion went into the funds.

One fund tracker said the Boomers' stock trading will be missed but it won't mean the end of the market. The next generation will take care of Wall Street.

``As investors aged, they have continued to reallocate their assets at a relatively slow transitional pace and the group that will follow the Baby Boomers -- the Baby Busters -- will be substantially larger,' said Dallas Salisbury, president of the Employee Benefit Research Institute.

``That generation will be even more aggressive in the 401(K) plans that will be allocated to equities,' he said.

EBRI, which follows more than 27,700 self-directed 401(K) retirement plans, said the older people get, the more reluctant they are to hold big positions in stocks.

The firm's research found that individuals in their twenties are almost 80 percent invested in stocks and the total drops to 75 percent by the time they reach the thirties. It slides further to 50 percent as people in their sixties approach retirement age.

The first of 76 million Boomers are set to turn 55 in 2001, according to the National Centre for Health Statistics.

``There will be some ups and downs in the investment flows but you are not going to get a sudden jolt,' Salisbury said.

``The only way there could be a huge shock to the market is if people kept 80 percent of their money in stocks until they retired and the next day, suddenly cut their allocation to 40 percent stocks,' he said.

Don't worry too much about the market. Stocks have faced even worse uncertainties in the past and they've always survived.

Gail Fosler, chief economist for the Conference Board, said that bullish investors have the stock market's history on their sides.

The proof: The Dow is up an incredible 1,350 percent from its August 1972 low of 777.

``Sizeable market corrections are rare events,' she said.

Over the last 128 years, the market has slumped 20 percent or more in a year only 10 times. But more significantly, these bone-jarring plunges have happened just once since 1950.

The last big correction was in 1974-75 as an oil price shock triggered a market meltdown of 43 percent.

For the week, the Dow Jones industrial average was ended up
376.76 points at 10,649.76. The Standard & Poor's 500 index gained 53.21 points at 1,336.02 and the Nasdaq Composite index was up 149.74 at 2,886.59. (Questions or comments can be addressed to

Pierre.Belec(at)Reuters.Com).



To: Skywatcher who wrote (29190)10/11/1999 7:34:00 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
OT.....OT.......................

Very interesting let get down to 1230 and break it nicely before we entertain the idea of long bear market. I prioritize my approach to the market, for me my levels are most important, as NDX tries to break this new high I would like to see what happens here.

I have seen that this bear market was also predicted in 95 just at the onset of this huge Bull Run. Imagine what these perpetual crooks would have done to us if market instead of moving North would have head South and hit 3500 Now at 11500 one of these perpetual crooks was repeating the same mantra what he told me four years back, for me they all cut sorry character, ?conspiracy theorists? who see AG teaming with his gang to save LTCM or looking at stars to see when the big hit will come, or waiting for ?Allah? to help their ?puuts? come into money, little do they realize that the reason the ?puuts? remains out of money ever are that SPZ guys break the back of these short sellers by their lightening options and short trades, they fill them at breaks with every thing and hit the stops like crazies.. the put buyers and doomsayers watch helplessly as market takes its revenge on them..

I just waited for some levels to be taken which were never and I became luckily a part of this bull run, for most of the investors the most testing time was last year 1310 Comp test and NDX 1000 test, on the anniversary of that test we are more than double, that one test proved that bear market was nothing more than huge trap to short, we never had a weak quarter, the world never came to an end.. and now with strong economy and controlled inflation and good earning prospects with average growth of tech economy at plus 25% annually and commodities rising helping debtors to pay the bills, I would think that 'recession' or deflation' that will be the crook is not looming on the scene..

So lets watch it careful right now I am looking at 2500 NDX is my first level to see where I short, on volatile days when I am playing on the short side I am sometime short 100 puts on SPZ and that is much more adequate for my leveraged call positions.. I would love this fall, as I would make a lot of money if this materializes who plays on short side better than this thread? Like that point of 1267 so for us who invest everything in long calls and the moment market trades against us short the market more than the leverage portfolio we are carrying these things don't really matter..

I will have with 100,000 $

like this positions..(hypothetical)

say 220 Yhoo call for Dec at 10$ each..100,000 will give me say 100 calls on Yhoo.. now if DOT breaks 700 on two closing basis I will buy puts on SPZ 1280's and sell Dec DOT 800's calls to partially finance the transaction...I am naked on DOT dec calls but actually protected by the 2,200,000 million valuation above DOT 750 as DOt 750 probably will coincide with Yhoo 220 strike.. When the dip comes I will leg out of 1280's at the most bleakest of the point, I would have recovered possibly my entire premium on Yhoo.. and if market comes back up I sing and dance.. also I will take my DOT calls out at that bleakest point of the fall, this is what I do for living, for me beta is life and volatility is the name of the game, the reason I am bull that macro economics tells me that, however it is days like that huge breaks I enjoy the most, my earnest desire it to make this school that i belong to a common knowledge, why I just don't know may be I hated paying all those dues that made me today one of a kind man that smells and trades most lethally on two sides of the market,,,, I just try I work hard to learn and let myself be clear and my quality time is spent on this since I know some one some where reads me closely and that someone unknown is very dear to me.. It is a jargon that is completely complex but I know this is the way to be one step ahead of the market, know your fundamental, know your stocks and sector now DRGS breaking 200 days MA is something I will play after a double close above this 200 days MA, and one more trade it nice and hard, believe in yourself.. never dilly dally, never say so what I don?t know, if I don?t know I will not write.

I work within my levels, have to worry about that little lonely guy who gets real pissed off with those screwed up every day 90 out 100 warnings.

He takes some time out from his work, logs on to Ike and knows that sky is not falling and goes back to work, in the evening as he drive on LBJ highway back to home in Dallas TX. He his happy he was not whipsawed as market moved 200 points up 200 down and closed unchanged. Idea was holding hands all the time, that I do the best, for these reports I read them and will act on them when market will tell me that prices are falling to fast and world institutions are making no money and DOT never ever corrects to 400 And rises back and Again corrects //for me a market that takes on prisoners is a good market,, look at IBM.. How hard is it is hit.