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To: PROLIFE who wrote (27714)	10/11/1999 8:03:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 39621

This actually isn't a big issue with me, Dan. I will address the Congressional prayer and days of fasting question. Some, maybe most, of the Congressmen were Christians and wished to request God's blessings on their novel project. All of them no doubt wanted the respect and support of their countrymen. One of the best ways to win the support of religious persons is to give lip service to their beliefs. It costs nothing and wins support. Sorry for the cynicism of the last point. It is more directed at our latter day politicians than the founders, though was true of them to some extent at least. Bruce

To: PROLIFE who wrote (27714)	10/12/1999 9:22:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 39621

One reason for the First Amendment was that in the late 1780's several states had established churches -- Massachusetts (Congregational), Virginia (C of E), etc. The FF knew this was a ratsnest better left alone. Establishment by state was legal under the First Amendment, although the states abolished establishment on their own. It was only with the guarantees of liberty and equal protection of the 14th Amendment 1868 that the First Amendment was extended judicially to the states. Today everyone who thinks about wants to keep church and state completely separate. The practice of Christian nondenominalism is an example of a defacto established church which is always held to violate the First Amendment when it goes to court.