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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (8109)10/11/1999 5:20:00 PM
From: Jill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 54805
 
You can read "Leaps" by Harrison Roth...
They allow you to ride out volatility until, as you note, they turn into "regular" options

Jill



To: Uncle Frank who wrote (8109)10/11/1999 5:41:00 PM
From: John Walliker  Respond to of 54805
 
UF,

As I understand it, LEAPS are a fairly conservative approach, provided you sell them at least 9 months before expiry, when their massive time value begins to decay.


Another approach is to buy deeply in-the-money LEAPS (or shorter term options) calls where there is hardly any time value built into them anyway. Especially for short term options with only a few months of life left the time value built into an option about 30% below strike price is very small. This allows leverage greater than buying on margin but with better protection against catastrophic loss for the same number of shares held. For this to be true you must hold as cash or equivalent a reasonable proportion of what you would have spent on the common stock. That way, the options can go to zero and you still have the cash, whereas if you held the common stock and the company went bankrupt you would lose the lot. Again not in the GG spirit.

John



To: Uncle Frank who wrote (8109)10/12/1999 1:24:00 AM
From: Thomas Tam  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 54805
 
UF, with any calls/LEAPS, your return on investment is based on a much smaller chunk of capital. Therefore the percentages can be huge but the absolute return would be roughly the same. In a stock running up like Q, buying any call will probably make you money provided you have enough time for the option to go up and the time premium paid is not too much. The power of LEVERAGE. Buying options or stocks directly on margin exploit leverage, however with call options your maximum loss is only what you paid for the option, therefore the risk is reduced in calls/LEAPS. I look at calls/leaps as a method in owning stock at a fraction of the price until expiration and am not looking to selling the call after appreciation. I usually exercise the option as I want the stock. Selling the calls would only generate taxable income for myself at a time when I don't really need it. The strategy I use to add to my position is waiting for any type of reasonable decline (10-20%) as an entry to go long calls/LEAPS or short puts. Sometimes a combination of the two strategies. Both have a bullish tendency.

Selling puts, is a strategy employed by some of the bigger companies in their stock buybacks. Say Q wanted to buy back some shares if it dips. If they sell the puts, they get the premium and if the stock price is BELOW the strike on expiration they also get the stock. Reduces the cost of buying the stock directly. So I can either buy today at $222 and change or sell a Jan 230 put for $30. If the price is below 230 on expiration, then the cost in acquiring the stock is only $200. Unfortunate part in selling puts is that you are not guaranteed any stock and if the price drops dramatically then you still have to pay $230 for the stock that is trading substantially lower. Still your average cost will be lower than buying at the time. However, selling puts require MARGIN to be used, so if the rest of your portfolio which is used to generate your margin tanks, then your reserve available margin tanks forcing you to ante up more cash to satisfy requirements for your short puts.

Sorry for the longwindedness. The short version is simply buy Q calls with cash and with enough time, you will make money, provided it maintains its Gorilla status. Just my ramblings given that I have dabbled more and more with options to maximize my returns in the Gorillas. Any other thoughts other there.

Later



To: Uncle Frank who wrote (8109)10/24/1999 4:14:00 PM
From: Mike Buckley  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 54805
 
Frank,

As I understand it, LEAPS are a fairly conservative approach, provided you sell them at least 9 months before expiry, when their massive time value begins to decay. This means I need to close my position by 3/1/00.

I think a more conservative approach would be to buy LEAPS as far out as possible and, when practical, soon after they come on the market. That puts time on the investor's side as much as is possible and for taxable accounts ensures delaying payment of long-term capital gains taxes. The combination reduces risk and maximizes returns.

--Mike Buckley