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To: Dayuhan who wrote (58544)	10/12/1999 12:18:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

Calling someone wrong, wrong, wrong is ok. Saying you feel sorry for their husband/wife isn't. Too bad you can't get cable, I think the Chris Matthews show has a style worthy of emulation, and the Jerry Springer and Howard Stern shows don't. Or, I could say, this isn't a hockey thread, boys, take off your skates when you come inside.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (58544)	10/12/1999 11:41:00 AM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>>Wrong. Way wrong, in fact; wherever did you come up with an idea like that? I'm absolutely correct. Marcos was willing to go as far as it took to retain power, the moment he knew he was finished was when Reagan told him it was over and offered him asylum. In 1984 and 1985, as protests against the Marcos regime escalated, President Reagan sent Nevada Senator Paul Laxalt as his envoy to inform Marcos that he should hold an election to demonstrate whether he had a mandate to rule the country. Marcos procrastinated, then finally scheduled the election for January 1986. Several opposition parties united behind Corazon Aquino, the slain opposition leader's widow. Marcos prevailed, but the election was characterized by widespread voter fraud and intimidation. Reagan had sent a delegation under Senator Richard Lugar to monitor irregularities; Lugar concluded that Marcos had stolen the election. Demonstrators took to the streets. Two of Marcos's senior generals, his defense minister and acting chief of staff, resigned from the government and joined Aquino. Still, Marcos was determined to remain in office. A bloody showdown seemed imminent. Reagan was reluctant to pressure Marcos to leave, because he viewed him as a longtime friend of the United States, yet he could not condone violence against the people. He sent a private message to Marcos that the United States would not tolerate his using force to stay in office. At an urgent meeting in Washington on February 23, 1986, Secretary of State George Schultz made the case for the United States to demand that Marcos resign. Marcos had lost the support of his people, Schultz said. "He's had it", he told Reagan. Although chief of staff Donald Regan agreed with his assessment, he cautioned that there was a "distinct possibility" that, as in Iran, the Philippines could end up with a government unfriendly to the United States. Regan warned that an anti-American regime could endanger the future of two valuable American bases in the Philippines, Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay Naval Station. Reagan listened carefully, then made his decision. "Marcos is clearly stubborn", he said. "He must go with dignity. We have asked him; now we need to tell him." This time Marcos got the message. The next day he left the Philippines on a plane bound for the United States. Unwilling to leave a foreign ally to a perilous fate, Reagan had offered him a safe exile. Aquino was sworn in as the duly elected president of the country. The United States recognized the new government, and Congress approved a generous aid package to assist the fledgling democracy. Aquino and her party proved to be staunchly anticommunist and - appreciative of America's role in promoting a peaceful transition - friendly to the United States. - Ronald Reagan by Dinesh D'Souza p 169-169, also reported by Lou Cannon >>Reagan ordered the Justice department to proceed with prosecution. Cannon adds that Reagan gave the "green light for the Justice Department to press an investigation of Marcos and his wife Imelda for allegedly conspiring ..... to embezzle more that $100 million of Philippine funds and invest them in Manhattan real estate..... Reagan had not wanted Marcos indicted ... he was concerned that prosecution of Marcos might discourage other unpopular rulers from peacefully abdicating. Again, however, he listened to professional advice, this time from the Justice Department, Duberstein and Powell, who argued that a grant of asylum should not be allowed to protect anyone from prosecution for crimes committed after they had been given refuge. Reagan agreed." - The Role of a Lifetime by Lou Cannon, p 835