To: slacker711 who wrote (2348 ) 10/14/1999 6:27:00 PM From: Ruffian Respond to of 13582
Palm Speaks Out on Nokia Deal page 2 3:00 a.m. 14.Oct.99.PDT continued Bercow: Presumably. But again, we don't need to license anything to Symbian to do what we're doing. WN: No. But presumably the advantage would be to them, licensing the nice friendly Palm interface from you. Bercow: Potentially. Sure. That could be one of the things we talk about. WN: And that would bring the Palm interface not just to this new category of smart phones but to Psion handhelds and similar devices? Bercow: Presumably. But that's still one of the things ... er ... that's not our intention. WN: So if these smart phones run the Palm OS interface, will they also run Palm applications? Bercow: The simple way I describe this to people is, you can think of an operating system as made out of three components. There's the microkernel. There's the next level -- the OS services -- and the third level is the interface and user environment. So what we're doing is we're taking the Palm OS services and the user environment and putting that on top of the Epoc kernel. So we don't expect there will be any sort of developer-visible interface other than the Palm interface, because those are the things you write to create your applications. WN: So the long and short of it is that it will run Palm applications? Bercow: Yes, it will run Palm applications. But there won't be binary compatability. I want to be clear about that. WN: Binary compatability. What's that? Bercow: So that's where you would take your application from your Palm OS device today and just run it on this new device that we're going to create with Nokia. WN: So you will not be able to? Bercow: You will not be able to. What the developer will be able to do is to use the same developer environment and the same interfaces. We anticipate that it will be nothing more than a recompile. WN: So, applications should be easily adapted? Bercow: Right. Exactly. WN: And of course that's a great advantage. You have a very wide base of software developers. Bercow: Right. That's the reason why. People are asking why did Nokia do this? The answer is to leverage the Palm economy -- the 22,000-plus registered developers we have, the relationships we have with Oracle, Cybase, Computer Associates, SAP. To put that on Nokia phones is a huge advantage for them. WN: So what about Symbian? They don't have anywhere near the software or the developers you have. Bercow: Right. WN: Do you think they're eyeing that, too? The Palm ecosystem? Bercow: I think they'd like to have the kind of ecosystem that Palm has.... If there's potentially some way we could work with them to take advantage of that ... I suppose. I don't know what that is yet. We don't really have the intention to make that happen. Although again, we haven't really sat down to talk about our responsibilities. WN: So what kind of time frame is the Nokia deal going to play out in? Bercow: The Nokia devices have been slated to be available in the next two years. So there's some work that needs to be done to get these devices to market. WN: And with Symbian? Bercow: There's no time frame. There's no obligation to finish by certain dates or anything. WN: Where do today's announcements put Windows CE? The Palm OS seems to be going from strength to strength. Bercow: I think the real loser in the deal with Nokia is Microsoft. I think it's a big blow. I haven't heard any reaction out of them today, but I imagine it's a big blow to them. WN: Well, a couple of days ago Bill Gates showed off a next-generation smart phone running Windows CE, browsing the Web, in color. Apparantly quite an impressive demonstration. Bercow: Well, Microsoft has always been really good at two things: As [Sun Microsystems'] Scott McNealy says, they're great [inaudible]. And the other thing they're good at is showing technology. But they're not great at creating compelling products. WN: Philips just dropped its Windows CE product. Bercow: Philips just dropped their palm-sized Windows CE product, that's correct. I've heard rumors that the others are getting out as well. WN: Do you think you've heard Windows CE death knell then? Bercow: Microsoft's not going to give up on it. I expect it will be back. Remember, Microsoft only has got to get it right enough. So, we're not at all going to take our eye off them for a second. But we're enjoying a leadership position right now. WN: What's up with Java? Bercow: We announced with Sun back in the early summer. Sun has introduced a new Java platform, called Java 2 micro edition ... and we're supporting that and when that's available we'll provide that to our developers. WN: So the Palm OS will run Java apps using this new platform? Bercow: Yes. Some day. That's correct. WN: Will it run on the Nokia smart phones, too? Bercow: Good question. I don't know the answer to that just yet. It should, but I'd be just short of saying that's true. I want it to. It would make sense for us. WN: To go back to Symbian again, does the Symbian relationship open up a backdoor to talking to other members of the Symbian partnership -- Motorola and Ericsson -- who make up the rest of the mobile phone manufacturers? Bercow: I don't think so, because we didn't use Symbian to make this deal with Nokia, so I don't see why we would use them to make deals with these other guys. Now, I'm not confirming or denying we are talking to those other guys, I'm simply saying Symbian's involvement with our ability to set up this relationship with Nokia was exactly zero. They're entirely separate. I've seen some material on the Symbian Web site today and it lists them as a player in this relationship with Nokia and ... they're just not party to this agreement... So, they're doing what I probably would do. They're positioning themselves [inaudible].... 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