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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (59194)	10/16/1999 11:46:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

My religion commands me to shoot all proselytizers who come to my door- should I serve my religion? Or should I obey the LAW?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (59194)	10/16/1999 12:11:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Sidney, "proselytizing" a la streetcorner-megaphone ranting or going door to door with tracts and zip-up Scripture is contrary to Jesus' instructions. It might have been more like Paul's idea, and I don't trust that misogynistic control freak further than I can throw him. Even more likely - it is a figment of modern Protestant denominations who take a "volume" approach to the conversion industry. Jesus said true religion was helping widows and orphans - in my view that is the opposite of the modern, offensive concept of "proselytizing". All I ask is the freedom to not be accosted by people who think they know what is right for me. And with your short post, you are endorsing the accosters. Worse, you are providing an airtight excuse for persisting in the invasive behavior. The content of that short post is totalitarian. Thought control, no less. The Framers knew how self-righteous even the most well-meaning evangelical Christians (or Muslims or ...) can become. The "wall of separation" is not diabolical - it is divine. It is a protection against the excesses that come naturally to true believers. Please consider this. You have perfectly capsularized the evangelical Christian dilemma - you cannot respect people's freedom and yet carry out the elders' command to spread the Word. Trouble is it is the elders commanding and not God or Jesus. The Big Guys insisted that the word be spread only to those who wished to hear. That sort of suggests being polite about it - and being polite and contented when the response is "No thanks". Keeping organized prayer out of schools IS NOT a persecution of Christians - just like keeping guns out of schools is not an infraction of the Second Amendment. Think on it, I invite you.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (59194)	10/16/1999 12:17:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Sid, Jesus told you give all your wealth away and to buy a sword as well. Do you do everything some guy with a long dress on tells you to do?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (59194)	10/17/1999 1:22:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Why do you, and other Christians, choose to defy the explicit instructions, from the Jesus that you believe in, not to pray in public. Do you have a different interpretation of these words? Matthew 6 5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words... It's funny how Christians conveniently forget verses like this, or just choose to totally ignore them. Even if your Bible instructed you to coerce others to pray along with you, which it does not, why should you be granted the exclusive right to impose your religious rituals on others in a public forum. What are you trying to say, that only Christians have that right? Far from being persecuted, Christians have long had privileges denied to others. Del