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To: greenspirit who wrote (59234)	10/17/1999 8:23:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't think anyone would step in if a child said a prayer over their lunch in the cafeteria. But speaking out loud in class is disruptive if it isn't on topic. And religion is and should always be off topic in elementary school- and in everything but survey of relgion classes, in public supported institutions.

To: greenspirit who wrote (59234)	10/17/1999 8:28:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

Because personal prayer is unobtrusive one can do it anywhere. A child can pray to him or herself in any school- as long as they don't broadcast what they are doing who would know? And isn't prayer a personal thing? So why does one need to broadcast? As far as I know a person can go to a public park and pray- as LONG as the government is not sponsoring them. I have never seen a person removed for praying- anywhere. When I was in college we had a guy named Jed who would come to the Quad and harangue the women for being jezebels and wearing their hair short and not wearing dresses, and he would read from his Bible- loudly, really loudly- and he was never removed. He was acting on his own- he was acting as a private individual- he wasn't even a student, he was just a travelling minister of a sort. There were people on the street corners in Berkeley who had a religious spiel. They were using public sidewalks- and I think that was fine- they were not being supported by the city, State or Federal government. It is the absence or presence of government support that should define the issue- and the religious as well as the non-religious are wary of government involvement in this most intimate, most personal, area. And we all should be wary- it is a great strength of this country as we grow more and more diverse, that we do not have an established religion.