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To: Rob Young who wrote (75789)	10/18/1999 12:15:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572633

Rob - Re: "So if you want a low-cost high-powered 64-bit desktop wait for the .18 micron 21264, 15 million transistors , two shrinks down from .35 micron (initial 21264) should put it in the 110-120 mm2 range, i.e. cheap. Boxes in April at the latest I'd say" Oh ?? I guess that's a SIX MONTH SLIP at LEAST !!!! The 750 MHz parts are due to ship in August, the 800 MHz EV67 and 833 MHz EV68 shipping in November. 933 MHz EV68 in February copper and aluminum parts at that time. {=================================} To: Tenchusatsu (84508 ) From: Rob Young Friday, Jun 25 1999 1:30PM ET Reply # 84510 of 88120 <Remember that the Alpha 21264 was a year late. Not only that, but it performed about 33% lower than previous expectations of 40 SpecInt and 60 SpecFP. (Initial parts scored 24 and 40, respectively. They can only go up from there, but it will be a while before the original targets will have been met.)> You got the late part correct... the rest of it isn't correct. The 21264 shipped at 30 SpecInt95 just what Jim Keller described were the initial target Specs from his Oct. 1996 MicroProcessor Forum presentation. You can root around mdronline.com and find it. You can also find 30 SpecInt95 numbers for the 8400 at specbench.org site... 47 SpecFp95 if I recall correctly which is VERY close to the 1996 estimate of 50. The 667 MHz parts will exceed the original targets, shipping now from Samsung in the UP2000 MB. The 750 MHz parts are due to ship in August, the 800 MHz EV67 and 833 MHz EV68 shipping in November. 933 MHz EV68 in February copper and aluminum parts at that time. 1 GHz end of Q2 2000, 1.2 GHz end of 2000 and finally Samsung talks of getting to 1.5 GHz in .18 SOI... Frankly, I believe 1.2 GHz.. and earlier targets... 1.5 GHz may be posturing on their part (we'll see). Note this good TechWeb article talks of low-cost Alpha.. i.e. EV68 shrink: techweb.com "The company will also tip word of a low-cost version of the Alpha 21264 processor it plans to produce early next year, and it will demo a 1-GHz version of the chip that is expected to ship in next year's second quarter." Probably a $400 part in that box. That in combination with UP1000 (based on Irongate chipset) will allow for "loaded" boxes to get in the engineering desktop sweet spot of $2500-$3500.. today Samsung talks of 750 MHz EV67 and UP1000 hitting $3500 in August timeframe. Want to guess SpecInts and Fps? Better or worse than Merced? (Hint: EV67 parts at 700 MHz reportedly do 42 SpecInt95) By the way, what do you consider "will be a while?" Does today count as "a while?" How's that low-cost IA64? Rob {================================} So, Rob - what is Compaq shipping TODAY ?? And....do they have any recent design wins ? Paul

To: Rob Young who wrote (75789)	10/18/1999 12:20:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572633

Rob - Re: "<Merced will have a major impact, just not in the PC market> What operating system will this impact be running?" IBM ALREADY has Merced/ITANIUM running IBM's version of 64 bit Unix - Monterey !!! Here's one of the REPORTS that IBM was so proud to issue ! {==========================} infoworld.com IBM's Monterey claims success with Merced By Ed Scannell and Mike Lattig InfoWorld Electric Posted at 4:52 PM PT, Sep 16, 1999 While Intel's IA-64 chip is still a year away from being a commercial reality, IBM and other members of the Monterey/64 consortium will ignite the operating systems wars for the chip when they announce Friday they have an early version of their operating system working on the chip. IBM successfully booted a Merced-based IA-64 system running Monterey/64 this past Monday at an Intel lab in Dupont, Wash. and did so without the use of a software emulator, according to company officials. Consortium officials claim this marks the first time a Unix operating system is up and running on the long-awaited 64-bit chip. Officials from companies in the consortium, which include IBM, Intel, Sequent, Santa Cruz Operation (SCO), and others were quick to give themselves credit for the milestone, which IBM officials said took them less than 24 hours to achieve. "We think getting Monterey/64 up and running on Intel hardware in such a short period of time is an extraordinary achievement," Rajiv Samant, general manager of the Unix brand at IBM, said in a prepared statement. "With this milestone, we have overtaken Sun [and] HP (Hewlett-Packard)." Members of the Monterey project were quick to dismiss the announcement made by Sun two weeks ago that it had a version of its Solaris operating system up on the IA-64 chip. Officials cited Sun's use of a software emulator in order to boot the system successfully. At last month's Linux World show in San Francisco, Intel chairman Andy Grove made a surprise appearance and gave the first demonstration, although brief, of the IA-64 processor running the kernel of an upcoming variant of Linux, code-named the Trillian Project. That demonstration also was made possible with the aid of a software emulator The Trillian Project is led by V.A. Linux Research, IBM, Intel, Hewlett-Packard, SGI, and Cygnus. Just three weeks ago, at the company's developer forum in Palm Springs, Calif., Intel President Craig Barrett oversaw the first demonstration of an actual IA-64 chip, running 64-bit Windows 2000. Barrett said the company was working on delivering engineering samples to its OEM partners so they could start moving their operating systems from simulators to the real hardware. Barrett also noted at the forum that Monterey/64 and HP-UX as two operating systems the company would specifically target. Members of the Monterey/64 project believe the milestone will inspire higher interest among software developers and OEMs to produce critical and fully exploitive products for not only the IA-64 but existing Unix-based platforms. "We will now see an acceleration in 64-bit hardware design and development, as well as more ISVs actively porting to UnixWare 7 on IA-32 and AIX on Power platforms as they get ready for Monterey/64," said Mike Orr, senior vice president of worldwide marketing at SCO. IBM Corp., in Armonk, N.Y., is at www.ibm.com. Intel Corp., in Santa Clara, Calif., is at www.intel.com. Ed Scannell is an InfoWorld editor at large. Michael Lattig is an InfoWorld reporter {==============================} Paul

To: Rob Young who wrote (75789)	10/18/1999 1:22:00 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572633

Rob, <We found out just this week Windows 2000 is now a February product after repeatedly promised it will ship year-end. Maybe I'm a bit naive but I don't believe there will be a 64-bit version ready this time next year.> Yeah, surprise surprise, huh? Once again, our "friends up north" slip Windows 1901 by another few months. Of course, there's always other operating systems for Itanium come mid-2000. Maybe the threat of a 64-bit Red Hat Linux will convince those boys in Redmond to work a little harder. Tenchusatsu

To: Rob Young who wrote (75789)	10/18/1999 11:58:00 AM
From: ericneu	Respond to of 1572633

We found out just this week Windows 2000 is now a February product after repeatedly promised it will ship year-end. --- Don't confuse the trade's statements with Microsoft's. Windows 2000 was not promised to ship year-end. For some time now, Microsoft has said it will RTM (release to manufacturing) by year-end. Enterprise customers will have access to the code immediately following RTM. Availability in the retail channel will take approximately 8 weeks while CDs are pressed, manuals printed, etc. Thus the February date being tossed around. - Eric