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To: Jamey who wrote (27820)	10/18/1999 8:22:00 AM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Santiago, I will assume you do not realize exactly how condescending your statements were, how borderline racist they were, and how untrue they are. You have no idea what the average Muslim, Hindu or jew wants. Your comments are about their desires are misguided at best, and your logic is poor. It is not necessary for someone to come to this country and have to mesh in with what you think our culture is. they need not have a desire to become Christian. Your misguided thought that Christianity is synonymous with being a good American is absoutely not true on either a social or a historical basis. Anyone who comes to this country is free to practice whatever culture they wish to, not whatever culture James wishes them to. Get off your high horse!!!!!!!! Mark Besides, when did Christ say that it was even important to mesh with any culture? Aren't you being judge, jury, and executioner on a set of values that have nothing to do with Christianity? I can see Emile's influence in your thoughts, and they are a step backwards for you....think about what you are syaing and how they related to your beliefs. You delve into hatred, and not acceptance and love. You are using criteria that I believe Jesus would abhor....

To: Jamey who wrote (27820)	10/18/1999 9:00:00 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Santiago, I note in a previous post you said your ancestors were German and English. So were some of mine. Just thought I'd point out the first wave of German emigrants to America who came here between the 1690's and the 1750's (and whose descendents now number in the tens of millions - including me and probably you) did not assimilate and replace English for German very rapidly. The process took a couple or three generations. Some, including Ben Franklin, considered the "Palatine boors" as he called them unassimilable and a threat to the unity of the country. The same fears about later waves of immigrants - Irish, Italian, east European - all proved unnecessary. The ability of this country to absorb immigrants is amazing and has been underappreciated for 200+ years. Granted it doesn't always happen immediately, but it pretty much always happens. This reminds me of some Mexican-American relatives by marriage I have. The oldest generation speaks Spanish mostly and English with a heavy accent. The next generation speaks both Spanish and English fluently. The next generation speaks only English despite taking Spanish in high school. The only groups to be able to preserve separateness for an extended period are: 1) the blacks because of laws against intermarriage in force up until a few decades ago. BTW, although few would imagine it now, I'm quite sure American blacks will be absorbed within a few generations and will eventually disappear as an identifiable group in American society. 2) those groups with a rigid religion which keeps the members apart socially and forbids intermarriage (Amish, Mennonite, Hasidic Jews, etc.). Even these groups only preserve a core. With each generation, a percentage breaks away and becomes mainstream. Rigid religions are hard to maintain over a long period without persecution from outside. You mentioned Muslims, Hindus, and Jews. I don't know about Muslims and Hindus who haven't been in America as long, but Jews today have an intermarriage rate of about 50%. The Japanese-Americans and Chinese-Americans whose grandparents came here in the early 1900's also have a 50% intermarriage rate. If we were to come back in a couple hundred years, I think we would find a nation whose skin color is about like Hawaii's or Brazil's but which is as American as you or me. Bruce