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To: Zoltan! who wrote (433)	10/18/1999 11:52:00 PM
From: Sarkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Carter was a grotesque failure as President I certainly agree with this one!

To: Zoltan! who wrote (433)	10/18/1999 11:57:00 PM
From: Druss	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 3246

Zoltan--Ronald Reagan was a farce. He is being credited by some as somehow causing the collapse of the Russian Empire by throwing copious amounts of cash at our military. He ran up deficits in one year equal to or surpassing those of the entire Carter presidency. The perception of those following this line of reasoning is that the Russians threw in the towel because they could not match this spending. The reasoning is flawed from the start. Gorbechev stated at the time he was concerned not with military power but with the fact that Russia was being surrounded by ever more powerful economies while the Russian economy lanquished. His concern was not only with the US economy but the entire Western worlds. His attempt to emulate the Western model was a major factor in the collapse of the Russian Empire. The credit for the collapse of Communism in Russian and her satellite states goes to Gorbechev not Reagan. Other than that what have you got? Reagan attempting to open massive amounts of Federal land to development and fire sales to business interests (remember Watt?), a fiasco in Beirut (no one knew what we were doing there and what the goals of our participation were), a tax 'reform' that was later to be revealed by the designers as a stalking horse to set up a massive redistribution of the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class, no actual reform was intended (this was because Reagan subscribed to an outmoded theory of the rich create wealth because of their having money to invest, a crock, people invest to make money not because they simply have it). Soon after Reagan's presidency a group of historians ranked his performance in the second tier of presidents right above the outright failures of Grant and Harding. The succeeding years haven't given us any reason to alter that view in my opinion. Druss