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To: Mani1 who wrote (76045)	10/19/1999 7:13:00 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 1573088

Hi Mani Ahmadi; Re the bin split difference between AMD and Intel... I believe that AMD used to have pretty lousy bin splits, but that those days are now in the past. The evidence I see is coming from the overclocking community, who are just getting their hands on Athlons. We should probably wait a few more months before looking at this, but enough evidence is in, I think. The overclockers are getting kind of ecstatic over the Athlon. There is a long tradition among overclockers that the Intel chips allow a higher overclocking ratio than the AMD parts. I've always felt that this was due to the Intel parts having more intrinic margin, or, perhaps, the bin splits causing fast chips to be sold slow for Intel reasons. To see an example of this, take a look through the following link, which allow you to look through nearly ten thousand hot clocking reports: sysopt.com In the above link, you will notice that the AMD overclockers are lucky to get 15% improvements, while pretty much all the Intel overclockers get 25% or more. But the Athlon appears to act like an Intel processor. This guy got his 500 to run at 650MHz, a 30% gain: I Hate to use such a gaming term here but um can anyone say ATHLON OWNS Intel so bad it could rent them out for 15.00 a week room and board. ... AMD, has again impressed me with their Athlon it extremely overclockable and rock solid. ... To sum it up. The 500 @ 650 is a righteous and very sweet overclock bxboards.com I know that overclockers are hardly great examples of engineering proficiency and safety, but they are stressing the chips, and the Athlon is running mighty sweet. Guys are switching the Athlon cache divisor from 1/2 to 1/3, and running up the frequency proportionately. Instructions on how to do it: devilpc.it Maybe this jpg will be of interest, it gives the Frequency IDs. 1050MHz sounds fine by me: devilpc.it The link to the main article: devilpc.it Of course KryoTech is advertising a 900MHz Athlon, supposedly with full AMD support: michaelscomputers.com but their 800MHz Athlon is still available... -- Carl P.S. While searching around for overclocking information, I found the beautiful link showing how to sand your processor. Eventually, the guy gets his C366 to run at 643MHz, but his run time is limited to how long he can keep his water supply cool. Being in Australia, he ought to try evaporative cooling, with a float valve connected to the house water supply... overclockers.com.au

To: Mani1 who wrote (76045)	10/19/1999 1:16:00 PM
From: Charles R	Respond to of 1573088

Mani, <PB Re <<Bin split wise my guess is at least 3X in favor of Intel at this point. >> With all due respect PB, you have no idea what AMD's bin split is, so you would have no knowledge to base this guess on. Unless you know some inside info on AMD. > Actually all the emperical data points to AMD's bin splits being excellent. Some pointers: - Kryotech demonstrating a 1GHz system with their cooling system as far back in March of this year. - Consistent reports of overclockers getting 650MHz or better with 500MHz Athlons - AMD claiming in their Q3 earnings conference call that they were effectively downbinning - A not so AMD friendly Paul informing the thread that IBm had 750MHz parts as early as mid-September - Several unsubstantiated rumors tha claim AMD doing much better than expected on speed grades For now, PB, would like to continue believing otherwise. It is possible PB got this right and everyone else wrong and I guess the events in the next quarter or so will make plenty clear what the true story is. Chuck