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To: ynot who wrote (30736)	10/20/1999 6:43:00 PM
From: MonsieurGonzo	Respond to of 99985

ynot: *OFF TOPIC* ...probably more discreet for us to chat about this over in the IT SandBox, ynot ( where there is no "topic" :) so you've worked with secondary paper? that's interesting; I've done a lot of work with secondary metals, focused on aluminium. >with respect to 'economies' of transport, paper would be baled, cardboard stacked, though curiously i did not see a 'compactor' box that looked like a shipping container... ...baling & briquetting; ie., densification is in effect a "self container". This works o.k. for secondary metals and paper recyclers = mobile "collectors" and "accumulators" yards & warehouses, and for recyclers = actual "processors" operating at a local economy of scale, as you point out. My work has been an attempt to make "recycling" profitable for the large, traditional "primary producers". To do this, make the necessary capital investments, make it work within this corporate culture - they need to operate with a truly huge economy of scale, and suck secondary metals from whole regions, within a global supply-chain context. And to do that, we found that we had to do three things: (1) simplify all the various secondary material physical forms, behandling practices & equipment to one, standardized package; (2) guarantee the (assay) chemical contents within each package unit - even when the materials inside consisted of some mixture; and, (3) manage the logistics sources & destinations to move, store and consume hundreds of thousands of metric tons per year. So, rather than densification, we moved in the other direction, ynot - fragmentation (eg., "shredding") and converted all the docks, plants and equipment to standardized export container units. -Steve