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To: sea_biscuit who wrote (8690)10/21/1999 3:13:00 AM
From: zamir  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 12475
 
Actually you haven't read anything until you read this -

" ... India doesn't have a "caste system" -- it has a tribal system, just like Africa. But the British and Moghul conquerors who took over India, created this fake label of "caste system", so that they could divide and rule society."

community.cnn.com@99.39IbbVBUgmo^2@.ee8f5b4 ( read #1843 )



To: sea_biscuit who wrote (8690)10/21/1999 8:50:00 AM
From: JPR  Respond to of 12475
 
And by the "logic" of these morons, even a mention of Jesus Christ would be considered as an attempt to "belittle" Hindu religion.

Dipy, My Wannabe Blue-eyes:
Many Indians have been exposed to christianity and the teachings of Jesus Christ in India from a very tender age. We love Jesus Christ and have the same reverence to Jesus Christ that we have for our Gods and Goddesses, Buddha and Allah. I don't mind even popularizing the idea that Jesus Christ was one of the Avatars of Lord Vishnu.
What RSS, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena don't like is the idea of RICE CHRISTIANS. Bait and switch as a tactic is known to you, because it is typically a western idea. Bait the Hindus with RICE, SALVATION, HEAVEN etc and switch them to CHRISTIANITY are the practices that those outfits don't like. Because some christians believe in numbers rather than quality, those some go to impoverished areas of the world and practice this BAIT AND SWITCH tactic.
Conversion from one to another religion should be a spontaneous event and not induced by external forces with promises. I bet you don't agree, because "AGREE" is not in your dictionary. Why don't you try doing this: Try changing the VARNA - the color - of the Indians to that of Blue eyes and LILY WHITE SKIN, Just like HITLER's corps of physicians did body and eye experimentation on living JEWS.
That would satisfy your morbid dislike of India and Indians.
Take middle East for instance. Have you done any research on the attitude of Arab nations towards the Christian Missionaries and the latter's success in religious conversion from Islam to Christianity. That is a tough neighborhood, man.



To: sea_biscuit who wrote (8690)10/21/1999 10:13:00 AM
From: JPR  Respond to of 12475
 
DIPY:

Read this. I am sure what your response is. Let me guess. How are your rottttten putrrrrrid mushrooms & knickers different from the pakistanis?

Former Leader of Pakistan May Face Corruption Trial

By TIM WEINER and STEVE LeVINE

SLAMABAD, Pakistan -- The military said Wednesday that Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister it overthrew last week, was being investigated for corruption, including the stealing of hundreds of millions of dollars from state banks.
Brig. Rashid Qureshi, the spokesman for Pakistan's military ruler, Gen.Pervaiz Musharraf, said that Sharif would probably face a trial for defaulting on bank loans and for tax evasion.
This kind of challenge to Pakistan?s politicians is popular
among ordinary Pakistanis and has been used by the military as justification for seizing power from the elected government last week. It is routine in Pakistan for a new government to investigate its predecessor and for
corruption charges to become the fodder of political vendettas. Even before Sharif was overthrown, federal investigators in his government and the one before him, under his rival, Benazir Bhutto, had already compiled evidence against him. It suggests that Sharif was part of a
longstanding culture of corruption that has nearly bankrupted the country and turned its political
parties into criminal enterprises.

Pakistan, a nation of more than 140 million people, has about $1.4 billion in its treasury. Its national
banks say they are holding at least $4 billion in unsecured loans. And at least 70 percent of those bad loans can be traced to the democratically elected leaders who held power in Pakistan over the past decade, along with their families and friends and politically powerful military officers,
according to state bank records and interviews with senior bankers and former government officials.


Their use of unsecured loans has "brought the banking system down on its knees and rocked the financial stability of the nation," said Mehriyar Pataudi, senior vice president of Askari Commercial Bank. "The national banks have been treated as coffers for people who took money without a thought of having to return it."
The corruption accusations against Sharif have yet to be proved in the nation?s politically crippled courts. But the evidence suggests that Pakistan?s rulers in recent years have collectively beggared their country.
According to government records and interviews with leading bankers and politicians, Pakistan?s leaders, including previous military dictators, have long stolen public funds and public lands, taken kickbacks from public projects and, especially in recent years, exploited nationalized banks as personal exchequers.
Sharif, the ousted prime minister, has been held in isolation at one of his residences near Islamabad since the coup last week. Repeated attempts to reach him, his government spokesman, who was also being held, and representatives of his government and his family have been unsuccessful this week.
Sharif has not been formally accused of any crime since beginning his second term as prime minister in 1997.
But he was accused in a formal report, submitted last year to Pakistan?s president, of theft from the state, money laundering and fraud, including the taking of hundreds of millions of dollars in bad loans from state banks.

The origins of that report date to Sharif?s first term as prime minister, which ended in 1993, when he was dismissed, constitutionally, by Pakistan?s president for allowing corruption to flourish in government institutions, including state-controlled banks.
In that same year, 1993, Sharif, a multimillionaire even before taking power, paid $60 in income tax. He has never paid a tax judgment of $50 million levied against him in 1995.
When his rival, Ms. Bhutto, took power, Pakistan?s chief investigative agency began to look into the charges of corruption against Sharif. In 1996, Ms. Bhutto?s government was itself dismissed by the president on corruption charges. Re-elected, Sharif attempted to suppress the federal investigation and, while in power, Sharif?s government compiled its own corruption charges against Ms. Bhutto.
The investigation into Sharif?s alleged wrongdoing nonetheless continued and culminated after a five-year inquiry in a report written by Rehman Malik, then deputy director of the nation?s top criminal investigative agency. In 1997, Sharif suppressed the final draft of the report and threw Malik into solitary confinement for almost a year.
The report, which has been reviewed by The New York Times, said Sharif used ill-gotten gains to buy, among other things, a $5 million family pied-a-terre in London. It was, the report alleged, one of four apartments bought with laundered money siphoned from Pakistani banks.
"The extent and magnitude of this corruption is so staggering that it has put the very integrity of the country at stake," said the 1998 report by Pakistan?s Federal Investigation Agency.
Malik said in an interview from London, where he now lives, that Sharif and his family had taken hundreds of millions of dollars from Pakistan?s banks.
"No other leader of Pakistan has taken that much money from the banks," he said. He added that Sharif had no fear of prosecution while he was prime minister. "There is no rule of law in Pakistan," he said. "It doesn?t exist."
The Federal Investigative Agency report said that Sharif, now being held in what the military calls protective custody, evaded millions of dollars in taxes, profited by manipulating import duties on goods and took money generated by state-owned enterprises.
He and his family, the report said, used dummy companies as repositories for millions of dollars. It cited, in detail, the family?s purchase of its properties in London as one example.
The report documented the following transactions:
Sharif, it said, used a close friend?s nephew to open three dummy accounts in the names of nonexistent people at a Swiss bank.
ú At least $3.8 million, the report said, flowed into those dummy accounts from two other accounts at a bank in Lahore, Sharif?s hometown. It said those accounts were opened in the name of two Pakistanis who lived in London and had nothing to do with the transaction.
ú The Swiss bank funds, it said, were used to purchase the London property, where two of Sharif?s children live, through two offshore companies registered in the British Virgin Islands.

Sharif?s name appears nowhere in these transactions.
The report also documents sweetheart deals for the main family business, the Ittefaq Group.
Ittefaq, a company that began as a small foundry, was started by Sharif?s father, Mohammed, a blacksmith. But as Sharif rose to power, the company grew to become "an unparalleled industrial empire in Pakistan," the report said.
When he served as a minister under Pakistan?s last military dictator, Gen. Zia ul-Haq, who seized power in 1977, the foundry became a diversified holding company of nine industrial firms. By the middle of his first term as prime minister, it had grown to 30 companies.
The growth of Ittefaq was financed in part by at least $200 million in unsecured loans from Pakistan?s banks, the report said.
The use of nationalized banks as cash cows has destabilized Pakistan, according to bankers and politicians.
The use of the state banks for personal profit created a climate in which legitimate loans became hard to find, international lenders looked askance and the nation?s reputation as a sinkhole for finance capital deepened.
"Pakistan is a criminal society," said Irshadullah Khan, a prominent businessman and former Rhodes scholar. "Our banking system is the most corrupt in the world."