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To: truedog who wrote (925)	10/22/1999 9:30:00 PM
From: Berry Picker	Respond to of 4775

RE>>Psalms 58:3-"the wicked are estranged from the womb". You say ALL babes are called wicked from birth<< Sorry to have not explained how the verse I quoted works in this case. I am used to seeing these things and so I forget that it was not that easy to see them at the first. The Doctrine I am DISPROVING is that ALL BABIES are born innocent Therefore the laws of logic are that IF you can show exception THEN all can not be used. I do not believe that ALL babies within the womb are THE WICKED The wicked are those who will go to HELL in the END. They are ===========estranged from within the womb before birth ============= They can not be called "THE WICKED" for their own sin for they have committed none( except perhaps in their thoughts this I cannot know.) There are Elect infants just as there are nonElect ( wicked ) infants. Isaiah 49:5-says nothing about the sin of babes. I quoted it to show that men are CALLED of God before being formed in the WOMB. Isaiah49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, If this proves an inverse of a proposition to be true it is of value. The "Law of Noncontradiction" was established by disproving the inverse. The arguement is that IF some are called from the womb but not ALL Then some are NOT-CALLED from the womb but SOME ARE RE>>Did he not hate Esau from events that happened long after birth? << Why does the verse even Mention that they were chosen before they had done good or evil if it was simply a matter of forseeing the EVIL that Esau would eventually do... And really who was the most EVIL after birth ??? It was Jacob... Jacob was a deceiver another name for the devil. The Election of God was inspite of Jacob's sin. God loved Jacob and Hated Esau but Jacob was the biggest sinner. RE>>Jesus, in His human form, was a descendant of Adam, as are we all, but I do not believe that He was Adam, the last or otherwise, as you say.<< Anyone who does not believe that Jesus was the LAST ADAM does not believe GOD it has nothing to do with me if you believe the Bible I tell the truth some believe and most do not... That is what God Planned. 1Cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. The second ADAM is Christ 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Jesus was not a descendent of Adam. He was the ===========ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of GOD============= Born without Sin.... RE>> dark side of the words of the Bible<< God's hatred Justice and Judgement are not "dark" to me but they are a very big part of the Light of God's Word... Why did God tell us of these things if he wanted us to look the other way. I also look at God's Love and Mercy... but few really know it if they do not understand these other things. Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. You can not understand forgiveness if you do not understand sin and righteousness.. You can not fully appreciate your election if you do not believe in election :-} TO BE PERFECTLY LOGICAL if babies are indeed without sin and headed to heaven. We would be better off letting abortion go on rather than take the chance of them losing that state by being born... I speak as a man.