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To: Chris land who wrote (1071)	10/25/1999 1:56:00 AM
From: truedog	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4775

to: Chris land from: truedog CL, you can add my name to your list. Read all the posts and you will see that scriptures have been cited to refute his views but are ignored and belittled because BV think he has been personally anointed by God. The man is a sham and a false prophet who attempts to dictate the thoughts and deeds of others. He believes only in the punishment phases of the Bible and considers all who question him to be barbarians. He is a raving lunatic. TD

To: Chris land who wrote (1071)	10/25/1999 2:37:00 AM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

><>...Good evening Chris...><> Cahoots? Chris lighten up. I was just being light-hearted.! I have never heard so many different spins on so many well known and understood scriptures, as I have since Brian has been posting here. I have been around, literally thousands of well studied and loving servants of God. I am also very familiar with other religions and all denominations of Christianity, including pseudo Christianity, and have not heard such interpretations put on simple to understand scriptures, as I have heard here. Childish? Chris please give me a break....or how about at least the benefit of the doubt. I had no idea wht you were talking about when you said "you know full well that his handle is Brian and not "Brain". Until I went back and checked my posts and saw that I had spelled it Brain, but I can assure you that was an honest slip of the fingers. Brian has made some valid points in some posts, but most of us here are fully aware of the facts of the Bible and those facts are nothing new to learned Christians, and anyone who is a Christian and studies the word of God knows for himself the most pertinent facts. Brian has got no special insight to God's word, and I don't know if he has said that he did either, but the people here don't need to be told at every step that they know nothing, and for anybody who does know something... according to Brian...what they know is wrong. Chris, you have read the posts on this thread, and you know very well that I have not knit picked with Him on any issue. It is he that finds pleasure in knit-picking at every post from every person. It is not I nor anyone else here who is doing the belittling of Brian. It is Briain doing the belittling. And I am only taking the time to tell you this Chris to set the record straight. Read it for yourself. And in the case I did sound as though I was belittling him or any else I sincerely apologize to whom it may concern. As to your suggestion about challenging him that is just a pure waste of my time which is too precious. And as I think about it this post to you is also a waste of time, there is so much work to be done for the Kingdom, this is pure foolishness. Anyway Like I said in the beginning, some of his points in some of his posts are valid. It is clear form his posts that he did not come here to learn anything new,and he certainly did not come here to be challenged.... I believe he said he came here to teach. Well thank you Chris, and Braian, but I already have a Teacher! Now if he expressed that he wanted to share some ideas and or fellowship with others, I believe many here would be more than happy to engage him in an open and loving Christian conversation. In any case Chris I am sure you needn't be concerned about Brian, somehow I think he is quite capable of speaking for himself, and somehow I think you know it too....But it sure was neighborly of you to speak in his defense...even if you didn't approach it in a very neighborly fashion. Have a good evening Shalom...><> BTW If you see an opportunity to challenge him, then so be it... You challenge him.....unless of course you and he attend the same school of theology, AGU. A little something for us all to absorb! SHUN the gossip of men as much as possible, for discussion of worldly affairs, even though sincere, is a great distraction inasmuch as we are quickly ensnared and captivated by vanity. Many a time I wish that I had held my peace and had not associated with men. Why, indeed, do we converse and gossip among ourselves when we so seldom part without a troubled conscience? We do so because we seek comfort from one another's conversation and wish to ease the mind wearied by diverse thoughts. Hence, we talk and think quite fondly of things we like very much or of things we dislike intensely. But, sad to say, we often talk vainly and to no purpose; for this external pleasure effectively bars inward and divine consolation. Therefore we must watch and pray lest time pass idly. When the right and opportune moment comes for speaking, say something that will edify. Bad habits and indifference to spiritual progress do much to remove the guard from the tongue. Devout conversation on spiritual matters, on the contrary, is a great aid to spiritual progress, especially when persons of the same mind and spirit associate together in God. Thomas A Kempis,

To: Chris land who wrote (1071)	10/25/1999 7:24:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4775

Chris, I am shocked at how wonderful this post is. This is exactly what I have tried to say to you and Emile for a long time. It does not have to be personal about me or Alan, it is just how we believe. The fact is that we all do believe. You may not have seen the first posts between Emile and Alan but I did. As soon as Alan came on the thread and shared that he was a Jewish believer Emile started accusing him of being proud, lying, and conspiring thru the Babylonian Talmud to destroy Christianity and the entire world as we know it. We told him to just stick to what he believes but he would not and continued to post all kinds of things about Jews in the media, in Palestine, etc.... This has nothing to do with the faith and is used to promote negative feelings towards people they do not know. Have a nice day in the Lord, Nancy

To: Chris land who wrote (1071)	10/25/1999 9:30:00 AM
From: C Kahn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4775

Chris land, I have not had much involvement in this conflict. I have not called names or tried to belittle. And I'm not judging anybody. I have read most of the posts, and have tried to keep my involvement at a minimum. My suggestion to you is that if you really want to know what's going on here, read all of the posts. If you have been on these threads at all, which I assume you have, you should be aware of the fact that when you jump into an on-going discussion, you may not see the whole picture. C Kahn

To: Chris land who wrote (1071)	10/25/1999 11:02:00 AM
From: Berry Picker	Respond to of 4775

Chris.. I was not offended by Shaloms post at ALL... As a matter of fact I thought it was FUN. Some people in here are hardening their hearts to what I am saying and that is normal and Promised by Jesus. Shalom kind of plays it low and that is his style I do not think he is one those who is really being "hardened" but time will tell. Some have decided to lie about me and say that I have declared myself a Prophet. I have never done that Others have decided that I am from Satan. That I believe is very dangerous considering what Jesus said about Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. These things however are normal and promised when God's truth is spoken rather than the modern day trash that people "think" is the Gospel. John9:39 ¶ And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. I am not the one who decides who is or is not saved it is God.. also sometimes those who fight the hardest are the one who end up hearing but if they harden their hearts and stop up there ears that is the end of them. It was not the atheists who killed Jesus It was the some of the nice people who go to church and "Think they are Saved" It's all in a days work The wheat and the tares are growing together :-}

To: Chris land who wrote (1071)	10/25/1999 11:03:00 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

Chris, I am not in "cahoots" with anyone. Have you read all of BVs posts? Even when I posted John 3:16 he is frothing at the mouth to "explain it" to me. Well the world in John 3:16 is kosmos...a word which includes the worlds inhabitants. That is all I need to know. I know God turns His face from sin. But if He hated all of us sinners, we would all be wiped out, with no hope. I trust the Hope given us is Jesus. And I believe that Jesus the Christ is the Son of God and died for me and is raised again and is at the right hand of God. So why should I be kept "down on the farm" by sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for a word from Brian. There are folks here who have confessed the very same thing, yet it seems not good enough for Brian. It seems Brian could enter into conversation with us, whether about Jesus or Big Bend, or whatever(as Christians fellowship) and let God decide at what point of growth each is. What do you think Chris? Am I off the track? edit:: I DO AGREE with you that I nor anyone should "make fun" of BV, or anyone else here , and if I have done that then BV forgive me. dan