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To: Mani1 who wrote (77081)	10/26/1999 7:58:00 AM
From: Process Boy	Respond to of 1577019

Mani - <LOL, get real. Coppermine 733 are no where to be found as volumes are small. This is not a typical Intel launch, not even close. If Intel was sand-bagging they would not announce a speed grade with very little available volume.> The situation may have more to do with the current infrastructure situation than "volume of chips", IMO. That said, I don't like not seeing more evidence of individual Coppermines, and this does take me aback a little. Given my bias, I am hoping that this is a very short term thing, and that more sign will be seen within a short amount of time. If not, I will be concerned. Actually, I'm a little hard pressed to explain what the situation is, i.e., is something going on further down the pipe than I can see. PB PB

To: Mani1 who wrote (77081)	10/26/1999 8:17:00 AM
From: Process Boy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577019

Mani - According to this Intel UK guy ,per Magee, it's a supply, i.e., backlog issue. Seems confident that orders will be met though. I hope so. Checking Pricewatch again, I see no coppermines of any speedgrade. I find this hard to believe as an accurate depiction of the situation, unless OEM demand is simply outstripping initial supply, as disti's are at the bottom of the food chain. An Intel UK representative said: "We're expecting a very strong demand this quarter and we'll meet all backlogs. The supply line is tight, we're not denying that." BTW, no comment on the errata portion of the story; don't know a thing about it, and it's hard to discern the severity of the issue through The Register tabloid style. PB theregister.co.uk Bug in 733MHz Coppermine? No one has stocks anyway... Authoritative German magazine c't is reporting that there could be a bug in Intel's latest flagship desktop chip, the 733MHz 0.18 micron Pentium III. But Intel says that the problem is down to the defect in the i820 chipset the magazine used to test the Coppermine chip. In the latest printed edition of the magazine, which reviews the Coppermine processor, the magazine reports compiler optimisation errors using both Intel and Microsoft software. The magazine apparently also reports hardware errors, possibly related to the brand new L1/L2 cache in the top end chip. The SPEC suite test computed false results about every 20th run. But whether there's a bug or not, the entire question may be totally academic. The largest distributors of Intel chips in the world don't have stocks of the newest part. Ingram and Tech Data don't even list the processors yet, while Hallmark and Keylink, although they list them on their dealer lists, say they don't have any stock. An Intel UK representative said: "We're expecting a very strong demand this quarter and we'll meet all backlogs. The supply line is tight, we're not denying that." A representative from Intel Germany claimed that the problem was due to the i820 (Caminogate) chipset. "I'm very confident about that," he said. He said that the software errors did not occur when 666MHz and 600MHz were used on the same motherboard, and that the problem did not occur with competitive, third-party products. Intel refers to problems with its processors as errata, not bugs, except in the famous case of the Pentium bug, where the cock-up was disingenuously referred to as a flaw. Whether this reported problem is down to the i820 chipset or the 733MHz processor, errata are fairly common in recently released processors. ®

To: Mani1 who wrote (77081)	10/26/1999 12:25:00 PM
From: Charles R	Respond to of 1577019

<If Intel was sand-bagging they would not announce a speed grade with very little available volume.> As I have said before on this thread, PIII-600 was the first of Intel's weak launches. We already know how the PIII-600/533B launch went. Now we have PIII-733. Intel is clearly scrambling. It looks like Intel's state-of-the art 0.18 is not giving it any advantage over competitors 0.25. Unless this changes, the trend will continue and from now on it will get worse.