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To: Gopher Broke who wrote (77234)10/26/1999 7:30:00 PM
From: Bill Jackson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573084
 
Gopher, The small crewdriver shops give the best valus as long as you get no software with them. All mobos, keyboards, cards, power supplies, FDD and HDD etc are all made in automated factories the quality is virtually identical. In addition the screwdriver shops use standard ATX cases for ATX mobos and their volume is larger than Dell or Compaq etc, so they are cheaper.
The only advantage the top tier people have is the bundled software and OEM Win98 whcih they get for half the price the screwdriver shops pay. In addition the small SD shops are getting screwed on memory now.
Try it, price a Dell or Compaq and compare with the screwdriver shop stuff. The SD shops are 15-25% cheaper.
All the hoopla about quality...is just hoopla....the quality level has increased and has been at a high plateau for 5-6 years now. It actually costs more to make mobos and power supplies by hand, so all the hand shops are gone now. The automated assemblers drove them under. If you add the number of systems, Dell, CPQ etc sell in a year and subtract that from the CPUs sold by Intel/AMD/IBM/Etc you find that the SD shops are far far larger(collectively) than the top tier players.
I had this made clear to me by a the Canadian rep for Panasonic 3.5" floppies who told me that they sold 3-4 times as many floppies to the distributors for the SD shops in the USA and Canada than they sold to the large top tier manufacturers. I was amazed, but he convinced me it was true. Those small SD shops sell enormous numbers to schools and smaller industries. Even a lot of fortune 500 companies buy SD products.
Yet I still find people who think IBM is better than Dell is better then SD etc.

Bill



To: Gopher Broke who wrote (77234)10/26/1999 8:37:00 PM
From: Paul Engel  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573084
 
Gopher Hole - Re: "a preference of MOST people to purchase the "better value" Dell system would be reflected in the respective earnings of CPQ and Dell I expect? Compaq just beat expectations. Perhaps we should discuss this again when Dell announces?"

I can't BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT !

What does BEATING ANALYSTS' EXPECTATIONS have to do with EARNINGS ?

AMD beat analysts expectations - and AMD STILL LOST $106,000,000 !!!!!

Dell is kicking Compaq's BUTT all around the WORLD !!!

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Monday October 25, 12:02 am Eastern Time

Dell jumps to No. 1 in U.S. in Q3 as PC sales soar

By Therese Poletti

SAN FRANCISCO, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Dell Computer Corp. (NasdaqNM:DELL - news) jumped to No. 1 among sellers of personal computers in the United States in the third quarter, surpassing struggling Compaq Computer Corp. (NYSE:CPQ - news) for the first time, according to two leading market research firms.

The game of leapfrog took place as worldwide shipments of PCs jumped 23.2 percent in the quarter to 28.5 million units, according to Dataquest, and 25 percent to 27.9 million units, according to International Data Corp. Dataquest's figures do not include PC servers.

Both Dataquest, a unit of Gartner Group Inc. (NYSE:IT - news) and International Data reported in their preliminary third quarter PC data that Round Rock, Texas-based Dell moved into the No. 1 position in the U.S. market, while Houston-based Compaq slipped to No. 2.

''I wouldn't say it was a surprise,'' said John Brown, a PC analyst at Framingham, Mass.-based IDC. ''It's been more of 'It's coming, it's coming, when is it going to happen'. Last quarter we had them at a virtual tie.''

According to San Jose, Calif.-based Dataquest, Dell's share of the U.S. market jumped to 17.1 percent, up from 16.4 percent in the second quarter, while Compaq's share slipped to 15.3 percent, down from 16.8 percent last quarter.

But Compaq remained No. 1 on a worldwide basis, with a 13.8 percent share of the global PC market, compared with No. 2 Dell's 11.6 percent share, according to IDC. Compaq shipped 3.8 million total units in the quarter, while Dell shipped a total of 3.2 million units, IDC said.

''As we get into the fourth quarter, it will be more difficult for Dell because Compaq has more consumer sales,'' said Charles Smulders, a PC analyst at Dataquest. ''That works in Compaq's favor in the fourth quarter.'' The fourth quarter is typically the biggest consumer-buying quarter.

Dell, which sells directly to consumers and businesses over the Internet or on the phone, does not sell through retail outlets.

During the third quarter, demand continued to be fueled by falling prices and improving demand in the Asia Pacific region and Japan. But in the United States, Dataquest said growth of 22.7 percent was slightly below expectations, while worldwide demand was right on target.

''Coming off a first half that was abnormally strong, we were expecting it to continue on the third quarter,'' Smulders said. ''There was a slight return to normalcy in Q3. Demand in the consumer market is still strong, but a lot of the hype in the 'free PC' market is starting to wear off.''

International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE:IBM - news) of Armonk, N.Y. weighed in again at No. 3 on a worldwide basis, according to IDC. IBM had an 8.1 percent share of the world PC market, shipping a total of 2.3 million units, IDC said.

But IBM fell to No. 5 in the U.S. market, where it continues to struggle in the consumer sector. Just last week, IBM said it would exit the consumer retail market in the United States in early 2000 and plans to sell its Aptiva consumer family over the Internet.

Hewlett-Packard Co. (NYSE:HWP - news) remained No. 4 worldwide, with a 6.7 percent share, shipping 1.9 million units, according to IDC. H-P also was No. 4 in the U.S. market, IDC said.

Both Dataquest and IDC agreed in their rankings for the top four vendors worldwide. However, for the No. 5 position, IDC said that Japan's NEC Corp. and its Packard Bell/NEC remained No. 5 on a worldwide basis, with a 4.9 percent share, shipping 1.4 million units. But NEC was the only vendor in the top five to lose market share, IDC said.

Dataquest ranked Gateway Inc. (NYSE:GTW - news) as the No. 5 PC vendor worldwide, with a 4.3 percent stake, shipping 1.2 million units. Dataquest figures exclude PC servers, which are used to manage and control networks.

Apple Computer Inc. (NasdaqNM:AAPL - news) is expected to move up in the U.S. market to No. 6, from seven in the second quarter, IDC said, due to the strong sales of its new products, like the iMac, but the final data has not been compiled for all of the top ten.

Looking to the fourth quarter, both firms agree that the final period should be strong, with the expected uptick from the holiday shopping season.

''We don't see the IBM Y2K issue in the rest of the year,'' Brown said, referring to IBM's announcement last week that its fourth and first quarter earnings would be hurt by slower spending as customers stop buying new systems and fix older equipment ahead of the Year 2000.

''It caught us by surprise as it did the market because we haven't gotten any signs from any other vendors that it was a major issue,'' Brown said. ''It's not something we feel is industrywide.''

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