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To: goldsnow who wrote (15106)	10/28/1999 3:58:00 AM
From: Yaacov	Respond to of 17770

Thank you for the post. As much as I like to agree, the issue of the compensation was started in the United States. In fact many the Swiss Jewish community stood on the side line as not to shake the boat! If it was not the US influence, Swiss wouldn't give back one cent! We should thank the resolve of the American Jewish Community for this moral victory and equally thank US Government for their action. In regard to Jwish communities in Europe, your correct, we are compromised with the Gods abomonation! We co-exist, and often like to forget who we are. The only two countires that the Jewish communities are strong and compact are France and England. I can't say much about the rest. Having said that, I like to note that we should have put the history right, and not to accept money. We proved that this small Apline nation did not stop the hord of Nazi barabrians with Enfiled rifles and bici's, they worked hand in glove with the Germans. After all, not one cent has or will be ever received by those who lost all. They can't bring back our dead, let the Goyim keep the money and keep the shame. Another moral issue, we may have to go after the Vatican and the Spansih Crown for the inquisition and what happened in Safrad after 1492. gg I beleive they must admit their guilt, as well. What the Safardim suffered, I bleive was terrible.

To: goldsnow who wrote (15106)	10/28/1999 7:00:00 AM
From: Yaacov	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Will the opening of the safe passage between Gaza and the West Bank make Palestinians feel more positive about the peace process with Israel? Any idea? By the way, a question for you: Are mushrooms Haez or Ha-adama? It seems to me that they grow both on the trees and over the ground. Could you pls. check that with your local Rabbi and give me a feed back? Thanks, Yaacov

To: goldsnow who wrote (15106)	10/28/1999 2:35:00 PM
From: Yaacov	Respond to of 17770

I find it shameful a "thug" such as Boris Yeltsin brands Chechnians as Islamic terrorist and Fundementalists Islamic Fundementalism is too far away from free spirit of people of North Caucasus. To Russians, the entire population of Caucasus are Tatars, regardless the Chechens, Avars, Ossets, Tushins, Kulumuks, Ingushtians or Azaris! They are Moslems, and enemy, they are the last of what remains of the Godlen Horde!! The truth is different. To understand Chechnians we should understand their way of understanding Islam. The brand of Islam that was first introduced in Caucasus is Muridism, or Sufism. It was first introduced by Arab conqueres in 8th century A.D. Sufism divides the ISlam in three levels. Shariat (the common Islamic law, practiced by all Moslems.), Tarikat, (the search for the truth) and Hakikat(the truth.) Tarikat and Hakikat are for chosen few. Those who achieve Hakikat, are one step away from devine spirit, and could achieve unity with it, and state that is called Ka'al, or Maarafit. The person who achieves this state is called called Morshed. His followers are called Murids(the followers) Over the centuries, the Muridism was almost forgotten by the Caucasians and Shariaat was not even enforced. Living in Isolated A•uls high above the mountains, and in villages islated from the world, they practiced a waterd-down version of Islam, if one may call that. They drank, danced, rubbed, kidnapped, and practiced Kanly, or vendetta. A far cry from teachings of Shariaat! In early 1800's, Ismail Effendi of Shirvan revived the Murdism. He established the Naghsbandi Sect that was soon took hold and was spread throughout Caucasus. In early 1800's, by the Treaties of Golestan and Turmanchai Perisans had lost the Caucasus to Russians, who feeling uneasy in their new aquired territory, couldn't tolerate Ismail Effendi. They packed him away to Turkey. However, it was too late. The Muridism was spread like a wild fire through the mountains and the valleys of Caucasus.One of the lesser followers of Ismail Effendi, Mollah Mohammed of Yargol intorduced Murdism to Daghestan. Among the first converts to the sect were Ghazi Mollah, Hamzad Beg, and Shamil, the three men who would be leading the resistance to the Russian armies for the next thirty years. For centuries these simple mountaineers were subjects of the Persian kings, or Ottoman Sultans, who left them alone to live thier own lives. But now, without their approval, they had became sujects of Russians Tsars, a Christian, a "Gauir!" They used a peacefull Sufism to bring "Gezavat" or punishment to their conquerers. What followed was over thrity years of war, known to Russians as Murid Wars.

To: goldsnow who wrote (15106)	10/29/1999 10:48:00 AM
From: Yaacov	Respond to of 17770

Revisionists!! On July 23rd, 1944, the advancing Soviet Armies in Poland overran the death camp Maidanek, and the death camps Sobibor, Belzec, and Treblinka! These camps where real death camps, not made for internment not concentration camps, made to kill Polish Jewish communities. Once they had achieved their goals, these camps where closed. However there were plenty evidence. Soviets publicized their findings , but the Western press dismissed the proof of massacre of millions of Polish Jews as Soviet propagand! Auschwitz was liberated on 27 Jan. 1945. The 76,000 remaining prisoners were marched of to Belzec and else where, the cremetorium had been dynamited, but there where plenty of evidence, that is painfull to go inot, but still there was some people who didn't beleive it. There is no need to continue with this litany, but today there are people who refuse that these really happened. We have two of them on this thread! For them there was no Wanne See conference, no Final Solution, no gas chambers, no camps, no concentration camps, to catlle-truck tansport crammed with vicitims. Six million Jews just vanished! Where did they go? These revisionists are as bad as Nazi's. Now they protest that we use this thread like a chat room to discuss Jewish affair! ggg Time changes, but not Jew haters, and Pogrom makers.