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To: Berry Picker who wrote (1259)	10/27/1999 11:55:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

Brian, Moses the Lord spoke to face to face so he knew Jesus very well. But my point is that the accusing is different than the devil looking to destroy. Many times God was ready to annihilate the entire group of Israelites but Moses put himself in front of them. Moses had a lot of love for the people and did not seek their destruction. When the Lord said that I am sure his intent was for them to see their error and come to teh faith. I think that God in His wisdom knows who will believe but desires for all to believe. The few are chosen is in reference to the garments not being right for a banquet and to me that says people who washed their robes in the blood of the lamb in faith. Would you like to join in a study of John verse by verse? I would like for you to join us. Nancy

To: Berry Picker who wrote (1259)	10/28/1999 12:03:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

Dear Brian, I totally missed the first sentence in this post when I responded to it. <<Satan accuses us before God to condemn>> We are in agreement on this. Nancy

To: Berry Picker who wrote (1259)	10/28/1999 9:40:00 AM
From: maouse	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4775

"People are not saved by accepting God... People are saved by being born again ! John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." there seems to me only one problem with the whole born again thing - the scripture above (and most others that "rebirth" fanatics use) never mention a REBIRTH... and the only rebirth ceremony as I know it is a baptism. Consequently I usually use my father's response when asked if I am reborn... I say yes, I am reborn every Sunday when I take Holy communion. It's the whole do as I do thing... I don't know, some silly Jesus guy said it about 2000 years ago. -maouse as far as the whole Satan accuses: he is not the only one... who did Adam accuse, and who did Eve accuse... I wonder (not long) if Adam and Eve had kept their mouths zipped if the serpent would have gotten in trouble at all. Matt 18:18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." -refering to the sin of brother against brother and the keeping of that sin into heaven by the "sinned against" Matt 16:19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." -refering to the authority Jesus gave the disclipleship which became the Catholic Church. Which tells me that a) Church is necessary for determining sin and b) the Church has authority to determine what is sinful and hold it bound in Heaven (as does each individual brother to brother). AND OF COURSE C) satan is not the only accuser we will face if we wrong our fellow man. -maouse