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To: PROLIFE who wrote (1271)	10/28/1999 11:25:00 AM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

><>...Good morning Dan, and all...><> Christ not only said father but also Rabbi and master. Matt.23 4.For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5.But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6.And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7.And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8.But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9.And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10.Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11.But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12.And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Why Dan you think Christ commanded this? Really very busy here...will talk to you all later Have a blessed day in our Lord Jesus...all of you.! Shalom...><>

To: PROLIFE who wrote (1271)	10/29/1999 8:49:00 AM
From: maouse	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

"IMO which power hungry MAN made into 'the catholic church"" well, all I have to say is that ORIGINALLY when it was being formed it was not very powerful... In fact it only became powerful AFTER many were put to the sword and fed to the lions. But, yes, after it became powerful there were many times when orders came from the Vatican to "clense and purify" the faithful. But just remember, each religion/powerful organization has these periods. Just look at the Salem witch trials for instance. Or the Jyhad. Or the Protestant reformation. Or the Lutheran (lets kill my wives) movement. Or the annihillation of the Taoists. Boy, seems like we all have skeletons. "many a dark age power hungry man would have loved you" - probably not... I would have probably been burnt at the Library at Kent. as far as the rest: It seems that you only listen to Jesus... which is fine. However, Jesus did appoint and give authority to his apostles(see 1269). That is why I believe in One Holy Apostolic Church. As far as jets - would you rather he used a rowboat? bulletproof cars - he's had many attempts on his life... it has been logical since Kennedy was shot not to be a major world leader and ride around unprotected. Waving to his subjects - well, from my understanding he knows that to many he is a symbol of faith to many followers. But I would not say he Lords over anyone. He leaves that to the eager beaver bishops... but having known at least two personally, I don't think that they(the two I know) are any different than you or I, except that they know they are not special(which often we overlook). I would give you that there is corruption in the church(es). But you have to give me that the church has taken certain precautions as well... learned from its mistakes if you will. It, like us, tries to learn from its mistakes.(mostly because it is made up of people just like us) -maouse