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To: BradHollingsworth who wrote (159)10/30/1999 2:35:00 PM
From: peter michaelson  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 924
 
Wow, that is some serious sh&t.

Darn. I regret that peoples' lives and psyche are so damaged that money and winning is more important than life and well-being.

Seems like I've seen a lot of this kind of stuff around here lately, though rarely resulting in murder, thankfully.

Neither the killed nor the killers will benefit from this. I am sorry.

peter



To: BradHollingsworth who wrote (159)10/30/1999 8:30:00 PM
From: afrayem onigwecher  Respond to of 924
 
Strangers Speculate About 2 Deaths MSFT - MICROSOFT CORP
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By b.s

In the real world, the world of flesh and blood and families, mourners were grieving Friday for two stock promoters shot to death Monday night in a New Jersey mansion, while investigators continued to comb the house for clues about who had killed them.

In the alternate world of the Internet, where the two men had pitched small stocks on their Web site -- stockinvestor.com -- people who did not even know the men were also searching for clues, coldly speculating about their deaths on investment bulletin boards, including one with a special section devoted to the killings.

The two worlds of Maier Lehman, 37, family man and felon, and Albert Alain Chalem, 41, charmer and wheeler-dealer, seemed far apart Friday, the day Chalem was buried.

But those worlds may have collided violently. One focus of the investigation is their business dealings, including the possibility that the two men recently became involved in a bitter battle over the stock of a company called MSFT - MICROSOFT CORP., whose partisans and detractors have been slugging it out on the Internet. The fledgling company says it has an innovative new computer technology, to be demonstrated soon, but its most salient feature is a stock price that has zoomed from $50.00 in october last year to more than $94 Friday.

Traders who were betting that the price would fall say that they have told investigators that Chalem was helping them, and that they feared that he and Lehmann had been killed because of that help. Law enforcement officials and stock regulators must determine whether this is a hot tip or the kind of paranoid fantasy not unknown in the no-holds-barred world of the small, risky securities known as penny stocks.

There could also be a money motive for the speculation. Any public mention of such a small company, pro or con, can have a huge effect on the price of its stock, and both company boosters and critics may have a lot of money at stake. On each of four days last week, more than 30,000,000 shares of MSFT - MICROSOFT CORP changed hands, most at prices above $90.

MSFT - MICROSOFT CORP officials said they had never heard of Chalem or Lehmann. "These people may have been doing penny stock -- and our company is not one that is a hot company," said , the chief executive of MSFT - MICROSOFT CORP.
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To: BradHollingsworth who wrote (159)10/30/1999 9:07:00 PM
From: afrayem onigwecher  Respond to of 924
 
IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK.

Shorts on Message Boards

Do you even know how "shorts" work ? They bet that a stock will go down,just like you bet a stock will go up. Now a year ago when I asked broker friends of mine if the internet message boards will have any affect on a stock. They ALL laughed at me and said those idiots having an affect on a stock !
Well I asked those same friends this last week, and the answer from all YES! message boards and "shorts"(some) can manipulate with lies, and deceit. Let me tell you what I have seen on two different boards .

One stock was $8 and a "pack" of shorts come on and posted total lies about SEC violations,and "class action lawsuits".There was 15-20 of these manipulating "shorts". The stock went from $8 to $6 overnight without cause -just these manipulating "packs" posting total lies.

Another board I had seen about 15 months ago had a bunch of "regulars" on the board. Problem was these "regulars" were the nicest bunch of mostly elderly people you would want to know and talk with. The stock was about $18 and then came "the pack" of shorts. There were again 15-20 of them. They got the elderly so scared that they would not fight and just stopped posting. Thus leaving the board totally to these manipulating "shorts".

The stock went from $18 to $10 without reason just lies posted by these liars. Do you understand a little now? Let me say this to you and I want you and the whole board to think about this statement.

IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK.

Now think about that, you have elderly that invest and find their way to the message boards only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits" or you have a Yuppie with a kid to put in college going to these message boards only to see posts by 15-20 (probably 5 or 6 under alias) "pack of shorts" posting the same false stuff about SEC Violations or lawsuits or "there's bad news coming out" ....what do you think they will do ?

Let me ask you people who don't like my attacking back ways, language etc... Do you think for that elderly person and that Yuppie with the college kid -that it would be easier to take the money out of the stock with these rumors and put the money back into the bank? Another question :do you think it is easier to take money out of the bank and invest it into stock....or easier to take the money out of the stock and put it back into a safe bank ?

It's easier to sell the stock and put the money into the bank for nervous people like the elderly and the Yuppie who needs college funds.

THAT'S WHO THE PACK OF SHORTS PRAY ON AND DEPEND ON.

They bet on a stock to go down-not up! . Understand? And they have just as much money and risk as you. But they have the edge of fear, lies, falsehoods to post and pray on the nervous. Longs don't have that.

Credit for post to skidiver3




To: BradHollingsworth who wrote (159)10/30/1999 10:54:00 PM
From: afrayem onigwecher  Respond to of 924
 
While Families Mourn, Strangers Speculate in More Than 50 Dead in Fire in S. Korea

INCHON, South Korea (Oct. 30) - Fire swept through a three-story building crowded with weekend diners and drinkers in a South Korean port city on Saturday, killing more than 50 people, many of them teen-agers.

Some 70 people were also injured in the blaze, which broke out in the early evening in Inchon, South Korea's second largest city, 30 miles west of Seoul, authorities said.

'I heard a blast and then saw smoke filling up the building and people scrambling out,' Park Hyun-sok, a witness, said on the cable network YTN.

Most of the victims were trapped inside the second-floor beer bar and a billiard parlor on the third floor, police said. The victims were mostly high school students who were out enjoying themselves after school festivals.

'All windows facing the street in the beer bar were blocked, forcing those inside to try to flee through the only door leading to the narrow corridor,' said witness Kim Jun-kyu, 58.

The building, located in an entertainment district in the city center, was about 20 years old and lacked basic fire prevention facilities such as sprinklers, state-run KBS-TV reported. Many disasters in South Korea have been blamed on lax safety regulations.

Police tentatively put the casualty figure at 54 killed and 71 injured. The death toll could rise, because some of the injured were in critical condition, they said.

The fire started in a karaoke salon in the basement and spread rapidly upward, police said, quoting witnesses. Everyone in a ground-floor restaurant managed to escape but more than 120 people in upper floors were trapped, they said.

TV footage showed firefighters carrying injured people on the back and racing to nearby hospitals.

'The fire spread so quickly that by the time we got into the beer bar, we found many people already dead. They appeared to have suffocated from the smoke,' said local police chief Park Myong-hwan.

The cause of the fire was unknown.

YTN reported that workers had been renovating the basement karaoke salon, where the fire started, and were using paint thinners.

The flames raced quickly upward through a narrow corridor, burning plastic furniture and floor carpets. Toxic gas quickly filled the building, and most of the windows were blocked, police said.

Fire engines rushed to the scene and extinguished the fire in 40 minutes, police said.

'There were so many people carried out of the building, but there were not enough ambulances and so firefighters left them on the pavement and rushed back inside to get more people out,' witness Woo Sung-hwan, 43, was quoted as saying by the national news agency Yonhap.

Dozens of family members were wailing and praying outside the intensive care unit of the city's Inha University Hospital, where many victims were hospitalized, according to TV footage.

Running short of beds, doctors and nurses laid some of the bodies on the floor covered with white sheets.

Saturday's fire is the worst since a hotel fire killed 88 people in Seoul in 1974. Three years before that, another hotel fired killed 165 people in Seoul in 1971.

Just four months ago this year, 19 kindergarten children and four adults were killed in a fire that gutted a dormitory at a seaside summer camp in western South Korea.
But those worlds may have collided violently. One focus of the investigation is their business dealings, including the possibility that these people recently became involved in a bitter battle over the stock of a small company called C3D Inc., whose partisans and detractors have been slugging it out on the Internet. The fledgling company says it has an innovative new computer technology, to be demonstrated soon, but its most salient feature is a stock price that has zoomed from $1.75 in April to more than $22 Friday.

Traders who were betting that the price would fall say that they have told investigators that these people was helping them, and that they feared that these people had been killed because of that help. Law enforcement officials and stock regulators must determine whether this is a hot tip or the kind of paranoid fantasy not unknown in the no-holds-barred world of the small, risky securities known as penny stocks.

There could also be a money motive for the speculation. Any public mention of such a small company, pro or con, can have a huge effect on the price of its stock, and both company boosters and critics may have a lot of money at stake. On each of four days last week, more than 100,000 shares of C3D changed hands, most at prices above $20.

C3D officials said they had never eheard of these people "teey may have ben doing penny stock -- and our company is one that is a hot company," said Eugene Levich, the chief executive of C3D