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To: Merritt who wrote (4755)	10/30/1999 3:24:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6418

Perhaps you'd care to share with us the source for those statements? I can't find the source for this as it equates to SF... but here is a great book on turn of the century NYC. Rampant corruption within a society with heavy religious undertones. There was so many murders and nobody really kept track as the police were also corrupt. San Francisco was worse but most of what I have read about SF was in the paper and not in book form. Still, SF was the biggest city on the west coast and grew out of being a port city so its similar to NYC. Everybody had the same problems then anyway. Fwiw the disastrous consequences of no municipal services and private industry running what little there was really turned me off some libertarian philosophies on what government should provide for the people. Some catastrophes like the Spanish Influenza epidemic were made much, much worse because there was no infrastructure to step in and do what was necessary without economic justification. Real-estate speculation transformed whole tracts of open farmland into city blocks overnight; inadequate sewage and sanitation systems bred perennial epidemics; municipal government passed from the hands of patrician amateurs to those of ruthless demagogues; and the number of poor swelled far beyond the ability of the city to absorb and provide for them. Sante paints a portrait of extraordinary corruption and vitality, amazon.com

To: Merritt who wrote (4755)	10/30/1999 5:28:00 PM
From: MikeH	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6418

<<Perhaps you'd care to share with us the source for those statements?>> Barbary Coast by Asbury. He has also written interesting books on New York, New Orleans, and Chicago at the turn of the century. There are no statistics available that I'm aware of, but Asbury wrote his books on personal interviews and newspaper records searches. As for the oppressive goverment, I'm with you. Oh, and I do have a way to walk down the street in (almost) any neighborhood and feel safe, a carry concealed permit. Just make sure you live in a city where you can get one, or in a state where one is not needed.