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Strategies & Market Trends : Gorilla and King Portfolio Candidates -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: gdichaz who wrote (9281)10/31/1999 10:47:00 AM
From: TShirtPrinter  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 54805
 
Uncle FranQ here's my twist on covered calls.
I am selling some Nov's for insurance on the Q that is in margin. Already sold Nov 250's on the popup, and plan to sell some Nov 220's on Mon.
I have come to the conclusion, after reading this thread, even the small amount of margin I have isn't going to be part of the longterm plan on the Q.
This is incredibly hard for me to do since I have been successful being very aggressive with this stock for almost 2 years. Sharing your history with DellHeads has convinced me.

Tony

PS Update soon on Uncle franQ's workout shirt. Get ready.
PPS Already have my tickets for San Diego. I can't wait to meet lots of you all.



To: gdichaz who wrote (9281)10/31/1999 11:24:00 AM
From: Mike Buckley  Respond to of 54805
 
THIS MONTH IN THE FRONT OFFICE

The News

Because I was away for a significant part of the month, I'm
going to dispense with my normal run-down of the news. I'm
also going to switch from a weekly reporting of the news to
a monthly reporting of it. I'm sure we'll cover really
important news in our day-to-day ad hoc discussion of
stuff. That way I'll be able to report not just on the
most important news at the end of the month, but also on
the thread's consensus about its relevance. As a result, I
hope there will be fewer news items and more substance
about the most important issues of the month.

The big stuff announcing the intended acquisitions of
Clarify and Vantive were handled in my absence. The other
important news is Siebel's expansion of their partnership
with IBM and Siebel's new partnership with Unysis, who has
agreed to market, develop and integrate products for use
with the NT platform.

The Stocks

The numbers speak for themselves.

Year-to History
History Date Month Annualized

Gorilla Game 213.15% 184.97% 56.05% 122.15%
S&P 500 22.73% 10.86% 6.25% 15.40%
Russell 2000 -7.42% 1.58% 0.31% -5.25%

The most important revelation for me is that the Front
Office Gorilla Game is beating the S&P 500 by nearly ten-
fold and it has been done in real time. Unlike the book in
which a rear-view approach was used in case studies, this
gorilla game was not started at what might have been the
optimally best time. It was started when I became
interested in it. Similarly, when I sold Vantive and
Clarify due to the announced acquisitions, that wasn't done
at the best time. Normally I sell a stock immediately upon
the announced acquisition. Unfortunately, I was in Italy
and didn't know about the purchases. By the time I got
back, learned of the news and sold the stocks, Vantive was
about 25% lower. These are human, real-time issues that
show gorilla gaming is relevant, that it doesn't require
the precise timing by people in the industry or otherwise
in the know.

As for the above numbers, they don't show that it took 15
months for the portfolio to double in value, adding $10,000
to the coffers. That was at the end of August. It took
just two more months for it to increase another $10,000, to
be more precise, another $11,315.

Having sold Vantive and Clarify, we're now down to the
dominant player in the internal help desk software, Remedy,
and the dominant player in the total front office software
market, Siebel. The numbers:

Current 5/25/98 5/1/99 Change
% of Buy Buy Average Current from
Portfolio Price Price Cost Price 5/25/98

Remedy 30.9% $17.44 $17.50 $17.46 $43.00 146.56%
Siebel 51.5% $23.00 $38.44 $27.10 $109.81 377.45%

The final tally:

Stocks $25,817.44
Cash $5,497.58
Total $31,315.02

Valuations
This is the first time I've shown valuations as part of the
Front Office Gorilla Game report. That's because
traditional valuations don't have a hand in gorilla gaming,
as we all know. Considering that enterprise-wide software
seems to be the darling of Wall Street in the last month,
the stocks have run up considerably on no news I can find
that is comensurately important. Not that an understanding
of a traditional valuation will affect the strategies of
this Game, but it might help us appreciate how traditional
valuations look while a gorilla game is in progress.

Having said all that, I ran a PEG ratio for each, showing
the PE relative to the estimated growth from now through
Year 2000.

Remedy PEG: 1.9
Siebel PEG: 3.6

Though it's not unusual for these relatively young software
apps companies to sport a PEG ratio of about 2.0,
I don't remember seeing any of them well above 3.0 as is
the case of Siebel. There are a couple of explanations.

The first comes from an understanding of the estimates. We
don't yet have estimates for 2001. Also,the estimates
for the year 2000 will be adjusted higher once Q4 numbers
come in. Estimates for the current year are so out of whack
that they are $.07 too low if the company only meets Q4
estimates. Estimates for Q4 predict a record quarter for
Siebel and the company has been consistently beating
estimates for about two years.

The second explanation is that the Naz is at all-time
highs, that tech stocks in general are looking great, and
that enterprise software companies are looking even
better. Investors are tossing traditional valuations to
the wind.

The third explanation, the explanation readers around here
probably prefer, is that expansion of the PEG ratio is
typical of gorillas and potential gorillas as their
fortress on the top of the mountain becomes less and less
impenetrable.

Gorilla gaming is still new enough in a real-time view that
this growth investor, who likes to apply at least a smidgeon
of traditional valuation, is skeptical of Siebel's
historically lofty PEG ratio. Is it Wall Street's way of
crowning the primate or is it what Greenspan would say is
irrational exuberance? You get to decide.

Continuing the Game: Help me decide!

Whereas the cash position has always been less than $100 in
the past, it is now more than $5000 and is nearly 20% of the
portfolio. That's because I didn't use the cash obtained
from the sale of Vantive and Clarify to buy more stock.

I will soon make a decision about how to deploy those
funds. My four choices: 1) Continue playing out the game
as originally started, which dictates buying more shares of
Siebel and Remedy; 2) Use the cash to add a new sub-
industry play consisting of companies making marketing
software; 3) Add a new sub-industry play made up of
companies specializing in selling front office software to
mid-tier companies; or 4) If choice #2 or #3 is
implemented, add $10,000 to the game with which to add the
new sub-industry. The current cash position would be used
to purchase more shares of Siebel and Remedy.

I'd be very grateful for your input about which would be
most educational as an on-going gorilla game to all
of us.

The Background and the Caveats

The portfolio began on 5/25/98 with $10,000 in fictitious
money. This is not a real-money portfolio. Commissions are
based on $8 per trade. Because the interest earned on cash
does not significantly affect the results of the game, it
is not accounted for.

I own shares in Siebel Systems. I have owned long and
short positions in the above front office software stocks
as well as others. I reserve the right to do so in the
future. Don't make any decisions based on any of my
comments. Do your own homework and make your own
decisions. And good luck!

--Mike Buckley



To: gdichaz who wrote (9281)10/31/1999 5:50:00 PM
From: DownSouth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 54805
 
Cha2, it worked for me. Can't understand why it did not work for you.