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To: JPR who wrote (9221)10/31/1999 7:50:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette  Respond to of 12475
 
JPR:This is very much so in Kerala among Christians as well, I am not sure about Muslims but I bet you they have their own 'caste' system of one sort of the other.

I am sure the West has their own kind of 'caste' system, since you probably know what that is I am not going to delve into it.

Speaking of Nadars, I was told that in certain ares of Kerala and Tamil Nadu same families practice different religion- ie the father,the mother,the grown up children all could be of various religious persuasions.

'This caste system exists among Christians..



To: JPR who wrote (9221)11/1/1999 9:29:00 AM
From: JPR  Respond to of 12475
 
Mahanambrata Brahmachari, Hindu Scholar, Is Dead at 95
Rather than attempt to convert Americans to his own faith, Brahmachari told those he met that they ought to look into their own religious traditions.

By GUSTAV NIEBUHR

Mahanambrata Brahmachari, a soft-spoken Hindu scholar who
offered early and important intellectual encouragement to the Roman Catholic monk and writer Thomas Merton, died in Calcutta, India, on Oct. 18. He was 95.


Although Brahmachari lived most of his life in his native Bengal, he
enjoyed a remarkable sojourn in the Depression-era United States --
mainly in Chicago between 1933 and 1939. He arrived there penniless,
sent by his monastery to attend a conference of the World Fellowship of
Faiths.

But Brahmachari's intellectual gifts, his sense of spiritual assurance ("that
heaven would have to take care of him," Merton later wrote) and the
interest that American scholars and religious figures took in him gave him
the scope to make an unusual impact during his six years in this country.

Not only did he address the Chicago conference, but he also became the
fellowship's international secretary and traveled to London in 1936 for its
assembly there. He also delivered hundreds of lectures, often on college
campuses, on Hindu and other religious beliefs, aspects of Indian society,
and the work of Gandhi in the movement for Indian independence.

He was already equipped with master's degrees in Sanskrit and Western
philosophy from the University of Calcutta, then gained admission to the
University of Chicago, earning a doctorate in philosophy in 1937.
That
year, Charles Gilkey, the university's dean, described Brahmachari in a
letter as a "beloved figure on our quadrangles," who had impressed
people "through the winsomeness of his personality, the keenness of his
mind, the catholicity of his point of view, and not least through his deeply
religious spirit."


Brahmachari came from a religious tradition called neo-Vaisnavism,
focused on the worship of the god Vishnu and his incarnations.
Vaisnavism emphasizes religious devotion.

In a series of recollections of Brahmachari, gathered by William
Buchanan and published by the Vivekananda Monastery in Minnesota,
the poet Robert Lax wrote that Brahmachari possessed a quiet and
calm that drew people to him.

He would come unnoticed into a crowded room, Lax wrote, and soon
people would be sitting around him, "quietly asking him questions or
listening to him because it was just the natural thing to do in the presence
of someone who had that quality."

Rather than attempt to convert Americans to his own faith, Brahmachari told those he met that they ought to look into their own religious traditions.

Merton met Brahmachari in 1938, when Merton was 23 and studying
at Columbia University. He was taken by a friend to meet Brahmachari,
who was arriving at Grand Central Terminal in New York. At first, the
two were unable to locate Brahmachari, nor could they find anyone
who had seen him. Yet one would have thought, Merton later wrote in
"The Seven Story Mountain," that a man "in a turban and a white robe
and a pair of Keds would have been a memorable sight." Eventually, the
three men linked up.

Merton became friends with Brahmachari and would later credit him
with helping provide inspiration toward the spiritual path Merton would
take as a Trappist monk. In "The Seven Story Mountain," Merton
recounts how Brahmachari, who rarely gave direct advice, told him to
read two classics of Christian spirituality, St. Augustine's "Confessions"
and the late medieval mystical book, "The Imitation of Christ."

"Now that I look back on those days," Merton wrote in his book, "it
seems to me very probable that one of the reasons why God had brought
him all the way from India, was that he might say just that."


Mahanambrata Brahmachari was born on Dec. 25, 1904, into a
religious, middle-class family in a village in what is now Bangladesh. After
he returned to British-ruled India in early 1939, he continued to live as a
monk, and also wrote and lectured on religious subjects.

The area of Bengal in which he lived became part of East Pakistan after
Indian independence from Britain in 1948. He remained there, providing
spiritual support to the Hindu minority and working for peace, even
during Pakistan's attempt to suppress the drive to independence in what
became Bangladesh in 1971.

In a tribute included in the recollections published by Vivekananda
Monastery, Merton wrote of Brahmachari that the latter taught a lesson
with his life, "that one can and must entrust himself to a higher and unseen
Wisdom, and that if one can relax his frantic hold on the illusory securities
of everyday material existence and abandon himself peacefully to a
Supreme Will, he will himself find freedom and peace in that Will."



To: JPR who wrote (9221)11/1/1999 3:09:00 PM
From: sea_biscuit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12475
 
Christianity has not abolished the caste system in India.

So?