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To: Hatim Zaghloul who wrote (5774)10/31/1999 9:11:00 PM
From: Bernard Levy  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 12823
 
Hatim:

At the risk of sounding picky, I would like to point
out that the CSCO publication you referred me to
just says that DMT is more general than OFDM, since
it allows different sizes of QAM constellation in
the different frequency subchannels depending on the
SNR ratio present (DMT implements an approximation
of the ``water-filling' scheme for achieving the
capacity of a Gaussian channel).

As for removing the effect of the freq. selective fading,
you are just telling me that WOFDM uses a different
equalizer for each subchannel. In essence this is also
what DMT implements, where the equalizer consists
of a single complex gain for each subchannel. I am
also under the impression that the peak to average power
ratio problem was solved completely for DMT (see the
book by Cioffi, starr and Silverman).

Best regards,

Bernard Levy



To: Hatim Zaghloul who wrote (5774)10/31/1999 10:06:00 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Respond to of 12823
 
Hi Hatim,

Thanks for the useful Cisco reference and welcome to the LM board!

Best, Ray



To: Hatim Zaghloul who wrote (5774)10/31/1999 11:53:00 PM
From: wonk  Respond to of 12823
 
Hatim:

Your appearance on the thread is welcome and timely. Can you comment on the specific differences between COFDM and Wi-Lans implementation of WOFDM.

In particular,

...The Recent Development of COFDM.

Since the Commission's selection of the 8-VSB standard in 1996, there has been significant development of COFDM modulation technology.(Footnote 25) The Digital Video Broadcasting Project ("DVB"), a global organization consisting of broadcasters, manufacturers, network operators, and regulatory bodies, began work on this technology in 1995. In 1997, DVB finalized its "DVB-T" digital television transmission format, and this standard was approved by the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) in February 1997. The manufacture of commercial COFDM decoder chips began in 1997, and COFDM chips were available for installation into commercial DTV receivers in 1998. The DVB- developed DTV transmission system is highly sophisticated, supporting 120 different operational modes, HDTV service, multichannel SDTV services, mobile television applications, and reliable reception with simple antennas.

The benefits of COFDM have led numerous countries all over the world to adopt this technology for their digital television systems. As of the date of this petition, Sinclair is aware that COFDM has been selected as the DTV modulation standard in the all of the European Union nations, including Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom (ñU.K.Ñ). COFDM has also been chosen for digital modulation in Australia, India, Japan and Singapore....

Footnote 25 COFDM technology was truly developed internationally. The development of COFDM began at Bell Labs in New Jersey in the 1960's, with subsequent work on this technology performed by Canadian researchers in the 1980's, as well as by researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In the early 1990's, there were European demonstrator systems developed. As indicated above, the DVB organization, headquartered in Switzerland, started development of COFDM in 1995, and produced the first COFDM standard in 1997. Commercial implementation of COFDM followed in 1998. In parallel, Japan developed the ISDB- T system over the past couple of years, also using COFDM. All of the leading COFDM silicon vendors, including LSILogic, Oak Technologies, and Motorola, are North American-owned companies. ...

sbgi.net

You will note from the reference that COFDM supports data rates of 18.7 mbps in a 6 MHz channel. While it has been discussed before on this thread, I would appreciate your definition: what constitutes wideband?

Sincerely,

ww




To: Hatim Zaghloul who wrote (5774)11/1/1999 12:04:00 AM
From: ftth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
Hello Hatim, perhaps you can elaborate on a few things, as well as describing some of the differences between say a DVB-T implementation of COFDM, versus WOFDM(I couldn't find any data on the WiLAN website for the questions below):

Wideband-OFDM.....wideband meaning? The carrier spacing is?....and the number of carriers is.... ? The guardband is...? If it's the carrier spacing that is broadening, it would seem the basic premise of OFDM is violated. Perhaps you could address this.

When you say >>"too many carriers to lock on only one"
are you referring to higher susceptibility to phase noise, and the reduction thereof due to a system with fewer total carriers?

When you say <<"Wi-LAN introduced the concept of using an estimate of the frequency response of the channel as means to remove the effects of selective fading. This aspect is the main claim in the US and Canadian patens.">>

This is another I'm having a bit of trouble with. From the wording, it sounds as though you're claiming as IP the introduction of channel estimation for the purpose of adaptive equalization?

>>Wi-LAN has filed another patent on the use of the channel estimator to improve the performance of the forward error corrector.

This is in lieu of(or as a substitute for) soft-decision decoding? And/or as a way to eliminate frequency-interleaved replication of symbols? Care to offer any performance improvement metrics?

Also, if you are able to disclose this, please elaborate on the processing time for the channel estimator, including pilot recovery time and time to calculate the channel characteristics and compensation coefficients, as well as the update rate of this calculation. You probably see where I'm going with this, but if you can't comment I understand.

dh