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To: gbh who wrote (5484)11/2/1999 5:31:00 PM
From: Sir Francis Drake  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10027
 
Gary, I do hold these IPOs overnight. I trade them intraday, obviously, but I use a "split" strategy.

I buy 2-4K shares - depending on availability (you just have to go ahead, and BUY, and not worry over a 5 point move either way).

I subsequently trade half the shares (1-2K) intraday for the moves. That locks in some profit for me, and lowers my cost of acquisition on the other half. Plus, it is not practical most of the time to buy/sell ALL 2-4K at once, because the price moves so fast.

The second half, I usually hold overnight (though it depends a bit on the specific IPO). Example: Friday, I got in on AKAM at a fairly high price of 124, 125, 126. I sold half my stake at 165 the same day (BTW, I'm not just saying that - I have been doing it in real time with a poster on SI - moniker of "infostream" - we exchanged PMs on exact entry/exit prices and I held until I sold half at 165).

The following day, I rebuy my second half. The philosophy here is as follows: I usually get in low enough, that even if there is a sell-off the following day, it never reaches the point where I first got in; further, I have locked in the profit on half already; if the stock gaps down - no harm; if the stock gaps up, I still have half of a stake.

I rebought my second half of AKAM, and traded it, following trading day (Monday), sold the half again. Today - repeated.

Next, I use the "3 times" rule. I will do that 3 times. The third trading day, I lighten up - I sell 3/4 of my stake - so, if I bought 4K the very first day, I end the 3rd trading session with 1K at the end of the day.

There are other factors. I look at price targets. F.ex. I don't like to hold too much once the stock breaks $200. At that point, I will lighten even further, and leave maybe 500 shares (of an original 4K, or less, depending on the proportion). The remaining 500 shares, I leave until I don't like the stock at all.

This way, I have traded many IPOs, and have left anywhere between 200-600 shares in several recent IPOs (f.ex JNPR, RHAT, SCMR etc.). These shares I leave to rot there until the stock or business looks bad... because these shares are 100% free, entirely purchased with profits from the stock, so even if they went to zero overnight, I'd be still way ahead.

I intend to do exactly the same thing with COBT this coming Friday.

You mention TSCM - well, there are IPOs and IPOs. Yes, there is a vast difference. The conceit with a JNPR or a SCMR is that it is the next CSCO - this conceit takes time to wear off... it will not plunge like TSCM. Pick your IPOs carefully. F.ex., the coming COBT, will be no less durable than RHAT - it is another linux shop, and the conceit (idiotic as that may be) is that this is the MSFT killer... again, durable. So, it is not as random as you may think, with these IPOs.

As for trading 2 points, or indeed, scalping 1/4 here and there, I only do that with stable stocks like NITE, ORCL, NOVL etc - never an IPO.

Good luck!

Morgan



To: gbh who wrote (5484)11/2/1999 8:55:00 PM
From: Gary Korn  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10027
 
11/2/99 Reuters Eng. News Serv. 12:06:00
Reuters English News Service
C) Reuters Limited 1999.

Tuesday, November 2, 1999

USA: OptiMark, Knight in pact to boost order flow, pricing.

JERSEY CITY, N.J., Nov 2 (Reuters) - OptiMark Technologies Inc., which runs an
electronic system that matches stock trades, said on Tuesday it formed an
alliance with Knight/Trimark Group Inc. , the biggest buyer and seller of
shares on the Nasdaq stock exchange, with the aim of increasing stock trading
volume and improving prices.

Knight/Trimark, which carries out about 350,000 trades a day, said it will put
up to 20 percent of its trades through OptiMark's system, expanding the flow
of share orders on OptiMark that is necessary to match buyers will sellers.

In return, it will earn warrants in OptiMark stock based on this trade volume
and could potentially gain the biggest ownership stake in Optimark, which is
backed by a string of leading Wall Street brokers.

Its share trading volume, also known as liquidity, also could improve, as
could prices on some of its orders it places on behalf of investors, Kenneth
Pasternak, Knight/Trimark's chief executive, said in an interview.

"Liquidity begets liquidity," he said.

Stock matching systems and share dealers need liquidity, or order flow, to
match stock orders at good prices.

Knight/Trimark's stock jumped 2-1/4 to 30-3/4 following the announcement of
the three-year alliance.

OptiMark, based in Jersey City, N.J., is known for its electronic
trade-matching system that allows traders to anonymously carry out large stock
orders typically placed by big institutional investors.

Backed by the likes of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Merrill Lynch and Co. Inc.
, OptiMark uses a call system, spending five minutes taking in bid and sell
orders on stocks then anonymously matching them in seconds for institutions. Its system has been in operation since January.

"Knight/Trimark's trading volume will provide a significant boost to the
liquidity in OptiMark, benefiting all of OptiMark's customers who are seeking
liquidity in a confidential environment and accelerating our overall growth,"
Phillip Riese, OptiMark's chief executive officer, said.

Knight/Trimark, which carries out many of the trades occurring over the
Internet and is a share dealer in more than 7,300 stocks trading on the Nasdaq
market, will consolidate its retail stock orders into larger block trades and
put them through OptiMark's system, to be matched up with institutional
orders.

"Optimark's strong desk-top presence among institutions and advanced trading
systems WILL DEEPEN OUR PRESENCE IN THE INSTITUTIONAL MARKET,"
Pasternak said.


Knight/Trimark is a share dealer, or market maker, which makes money on the
difference between the price it pays for shares and the price for which it
sells them, known as the spread.

((Mary Kelleher, Financial services desk 212-859-1644)).

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