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To: Berry Picker who wrote (1639)	11/4/1999 12:49:00 AM
From: truedog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

to: Brian Valentine from: truedog Brian, what makes you think that the Greeks were the "last word" in translation of the Bible? In the study of the Dead Sea scrolls,along with some other discovered old texts, I have read that the Greeks made quite a few errors in their translations. I do not have the sources of this, but believe it to be true. One thing is for sure, and you can pontificate all you want, your translation does not help new Christians in their walk. You scare them away. If you think that will make you the last Christian on earth, you are sadly mistaken. I haven't seen anyone else around here that agrees with you. In your mind, are we all damned to hell? That would be the most egotistical viewpoint ever put in print. TD

To: Berry Picker who wrote (1639)	11/4/1999 4:42:00 PM
From: maouse	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4775

I did not add "so much", nor "chooses". What I am showing is that believing IS a choice. You would have me think differently. Let me ask you something: I've just finished an apple. Was it bitter or sweet? Come on, make your best faith guess. You can even chose to ignore the question. But you will not be right unless I ate the apple you chose. So when I see the words "Whosoever believes" I do not add "chooses", but instead understand that BELIEVING in itself IS a choice. let me ask you something mr. Greek Bible - what did the word "believe" mean to the Greeks? in english it is commonly accepted as meaning "to accept as true"; "to hold as opinion";"to have a firm conviction": etc... what does the verb "to" mean. well I'll give you hint, it's not a passive verb. You have <to> do something. In the past tense <believed> means that you have done decided in your brain. In the plural present tense it means the same thing. One has accepted something as true. How does one accept? My answer is by choice... yours must be that God accepts your belief for you. (but then why does one need faith?) -maouse