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To: jlallen who wrote (62085)	11/3/1999 10:31:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I posted this on the Grammar thread, where it was certainly off topic. Here, I think nothing is, so without apologies, except for repetitiveness to those who read both threads: May I take this opportunity to suggest that every who is so disposed, and I hope that will be everyone, bookmark this site and visit it daily, and email it to all your friends with the suggestion that they do it, too, and pass it on to their friends: thehungersite.com You simply click the button once a day (I do it as soon as I turn the computer on so I won't forget) and, as you will see when you visit the site, you will have donated a specified amount of free food to a hungry person. The food --- rice, wheat, maize or other staple food -- is paid for by a variety of corporate sponsors, and the amount you send when you click varies according to how many sponsors the site has that day. Today it is 1 3/4 cups. I have seen it as little as 3/4 cup, as much as 2 1/4.... It occurred to me that on SI there are probably people who would not only click the button daily, but who might be interested in sponsoring the site, or who would know someone who would.

To: jlallen who wrote (62085)	11/3/1999 11:03:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Pd James is usually talking about murder. Was the quote taken from that context? And who proposed the world cruise? Did I miss that? And what alleged guilt, counselor? I don't remember anyone alleging any. Please post the relevant material for I MUST have missed it. I don't know what you expect prison to do for this woman or for society. Prison is not a good deterrent or "example". I believe there are studies that bear that out. It IS a good place to warehouse really dangerous folk and that is what it should be used for. Prison is extremely expensive and this is a useful person. Property crimes are silly and I do NOT care deeply about them. Property is nothing compared to the sanctity of the body, and being free from murder, rape and battery (imo), and property crimes- especially this kind where there is absolutely no contact between the "victims" and the perpetrator, do not lead to murder and mayhem. Saying that these crimes lead to "loss of respect for the person" (I assume you mean physical crimes against the person) is rather like the old Reefer Madness movie. It is illogical. I doubt you can find a single study to bear that theory out. I suppose if you want to waste lots and lots of money on jail beds (which will need to be built since we are running out of them everywhere) you could jail people like this woman. I would rather see her working for restitution and doing good productive work- based on the very little I know of the case.

To: jlallen who wrote (62085)	11/4/1999 8:30:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Justice inevitably includes the idea of retribution, as Aristotle notes. If we hold people accountable for their actions, they should be rewarded, formally or informally, for their contributions to society, and punished for their depredations. It is the chief way that we uphold the values of the society. The idea is never primarily deterrence or rehabilitation, but vindicating the importance of certain things: of fair- dealing, of the right to control one's own property, of owning up to one's actions, and so forth.....