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To: JPR who wrote (9432)11/7/1999 12:40:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 12475
 
The BIG Problem- On Conversion,'Chaturvarna' and the Brigade

JPR:

Like it or not we have a problem.

When a certain segment of society is marginalized , exploited, abused and kicked around for thousands of years in the name of 'chathurvarna' two things are likely to happen,ie the decent of

1)Commies
2)Missonaries

among these communities, the former gives them political awareness of sorts the latter material and 'spiritual' aid.It is only natural for them to accept this 'help' form these groups as they have nothing to lose.

Until and unless this situation is somehow changed all VHP and the rest of them can do is complain about it,put out 'lofty' press releases, 'pointificate' and try to create societal discord. Perhaps these guys should go and try to to 'uplift' these people like the other two then things will change in their favor.

I don't personally like this 'coversion' business nor do I care for the Commies but this is what is happening, so long as the government (especially in certain states like Bihar,UP,MP,and Rajasthan) and the so called 'upper castes' are not willing to do anything to help these folks to get education, health care, employment opportunities, land reform etc etc nothing is going to change. If VHP and their buddies think they can keep 'them' as 'bonded labors' and hope to change things without really changing anything then they are fooling themselves.

May be the these folks (VHP/BD/Sainiks etc) should go set up schools and medical dispensaries for them, build them places of worship and comfort them spiritually, make them politically aware, teach them their rights and make them see they are being exploited etc instead of just sitting around whining about it and crying foul.

This is what I am thinking.



To: JPR who wrote (9432)11/7/1999 2:16:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12475
 
Politics of paranoia-India will always remain the land of Gandhi,not of Godse

JPR:
Get a load of this.

Holy mama this is quite an indictment on VHP, doesn't look good at all for the Parivar gang. I had no idea these dimwits sat out the 'freedom struggle' against the damn British only now to emerge as the 'real patriots', how amusingly quaint!!
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The politics of paranoia

(Amulya Ganguli-Hindustan Times)

There is nothing sudden, spontaneous or unplanned about the Sangh Parivar's anti-Christian agitation. Instead, it represents the classical fascist practice of demonising a community by creating a fear psychosis, a paranoia, about its malefic objectives among the majority population. With remarkable coordination between the different Parivar outfits and outside support from fellow travellers in the academic and journalistic world, a propaganda barrage is unleashed comprising half truths, plain lies and crude insinuations to paint a fearful picture of the horrendous deeds committed by Christians and their priests in the past, and their secret subversive plans for the future.

These range not only from their clandestine efforts "to win India for Christ" within a certain period of time, but also undermine the country's sovereignty through militant uprisings of the faithful in the north-east. And all these nefarious plans, hatched in India and abroad, are presented against the background of a helpless motherland, which has suffered for centuries because of the cowardice, lack of foresight and even sheer treachery of the Parivar's political adversaries. But no longer. Now India has stood up, under the inspiring leadership of the saffron camp, and all the heinous machinations of the alien faith will henceforth be crushed. Such is the propaganda ploy.

An associated feature of the current anti-Christian agitation is that Muslims have been given a reprieve. They can, for the moment, sleep in peace although their anti-national role, in the eyes of the Parivar, is no less reprehensible. Their demonisation, too, was undertaken not long ago with equal fervour by the saffron propagandists, mixing their past crimes of invasion and partition of the country with their future plans for subversion through reckless breeding with their four wives and infiltration from neighbouring countries. But since a battle on two fronts is bothersome, Muslims ? Internal Enemy No 1, according to Golwalkar - have been given a respite for the time being while the Parivar concentrates on Internal Enemy No 2, the Christians.

The chargesheet, however, against Christians and Muslims are the same - their "alien" faith automatically making them unpatriotic; their past misdemeanours, including conversion of "innocent" tribals and others through material allurements, and the denigration of Hinduism and destruction of temples, making them targets of the Parivar's righteous wrath; and finally their malafide intention of turning the majority into a minority through conversion and population explosion making their every act, and indeed their very presence in the country, suspect.

"To make a struggle intelligible to the broad masses," wrote Hitler, "it must always be carried on against two things, against a person and against a cause. Against whom did England fight? Against the German Emperor as a person, and against militarism as a cause. Against whom did the Jews fight with their Marxist power? Against the bourgeoisie as a person, and against capitalism as a cause. Against whom, therefore, must our movement fight? Against the Jew as a person, and against Marxism as a cause."

For success in this fight, however, the adversary has to be painted in the blackest of colours. "The black-haired Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end," wrote the Fuehrer, "satanically glaring at and spying on the unsuspicious girl whom he plans to seduce, adulterating her blood and removing her from the bosom of her own people...The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into the Rhineland with the ultimate idea of bastardising the white race which they hate."

As Alan Bullock writes in Hitler: A Study in Tyranny: "In all the pages which Hitler devotes to the Jews in Mein Kampf he does not bring forward a single fact to support his wild assertions...to read these pages is to enter the world of the insane, a world peopled by hideous and distorted shadows. The Jew is no longer a human being, he has become a mythical figure, a grimacing, leering devil invested with infernal powers, the incarnation of evil..."

Unlike Hitler, who had only the Jews as his hate objects, the ultra-right in India has the advantage of having three - Muslims, Christians and communists. They are Golwalkar's Internal Enemies Nos 1, 2 and 3. The advantage is that the attacks on them can be spread out to avoid tedium. Muslims, of course, were the first target, but after the campaign against them reached its peak with the Babri Masjid demolition, the Parivar may have realised the need to step back a little, to survey the battlefield, as it were, before the next onslaught.

The respite may have been deemed necessary because the maximum political mileage had presumably been extracted from the tirades against the No.1 enemy and may have even begun to lose its effectiveness. After all, how long can one go on castigating the children of Babar for their sins of the past? So now the children of the Pope have been targeted, which must have taken them by no little surprise because, in all the 70-odd years of the Sangh Parivar's functioning, the Christians have never come under such virulent attack earlier. The reason may not be unrelated to the reluctance of the Sangh Parivar, which stayed scrupulously aloof from the freedom struggle, not to tangle with the British in any way during the pre-1947 period. Later, in the wake of the ban on the RSS after Gandhi's assassination, the Parivar retreated to its designated place in Indian society ? the outer periphery. When the degeneration of the Congress, the Left and the others enabled the Parivar to emerge from the shadows, its first job, naturally, was to go for Muslims. And now, logically, the focus has shifted to Internal Enemy No. 2.

The hounding of "internal enemies" is in keeping with the fascist precept of preserving the "purity" of the motherland and of the majority community from the contaminating influence of "outsiders." Whether it was Nazis targeting Jews or neo-Nazis and white supremacists now venting their spleen on "coloured" immigrants, the basic "patriotic" objective is the same. The Sangh Parivar's Hindu Rashtra is modelled, therefore, on Golwalkar's ideal of an India ? or Bharat ? where "non-Hindu people...must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and revere Hindu religion...or may stay wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment, not even citizen's rights."

The similarity of this prescription with Point 4 of the Nazi party programme, as mentioned in Saul Friedlander?s Nazi Germany and the Jews, is obvious: "Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly no Jew may be a member of the nation."

For all their strenuous efforts, however, it is unlikely that India will ever be Hitler's Germany. The innate tolerance of Hinduism and the sound roots of democracy will never allow sectarianism to flourish. Indeed, there is bound to be a backlash against the current campaigns waged against the minorities, as more and more people become aware of their dangerous political objective, though couched in the language of religion. India will always remain the land of Gandhi, not of Godse.

hindustantimes.com



To: JPR who wrote (9432)11/7/1999 3:10:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 12475
 
What an 'unholy' mess!

JPR:
Say where is your 'buddy' Tidy Bowl these days, I am sure he/she would have licked this 'column' up like a stray bitch.<g>
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Saturday, October 9, 1999

What an unholy mess!

By Abu Abraham

LIVING in God?s own Kerala, it is easy to forget the dirt and squalor of much of the rest of India. Here cleanliness is an obsession. The women who come to cook and sweep the house and garden here at home and in the neighbourhood are spotlessly clean. They come dressed in fresh clothes and are well-groomed. Nobody in Kerala goes out of the house without a bath. Most people have two baths a day, morning and evening.

In respect of cleanliness (next to godliness) I think Keralites are close to our own North-East people or to South-East Asians. I was in Saigon in 1970 during the worst part of the Vietnam war. I wandered around the city quite a lot, and also travelled to nearby villages and to the port city of Danang. While the Americans kept bombing and destroying, life went on in South Vietnam as if nothing unusual was happening. The sweepers swept the parks and streets. Shops and restaurants served people at all hours. Plenty of fresh vegetables were available in the market places. But what astonished me was the cleanliness and quietness of the markets. Nobody shouted, nobody urinated in public. It?s a totally different culture from ours.

I find it difficult to understand why we as a people show little respect to our environment, let alone to our poor neighbour's. Someone once said:"Love thy neighbour, but choose your neighbourhood first." This is true of our rich and well-to-do middle classes. Once they find their own congenial neighbourhood, they ignore their fellow beings. If not deliberate callousness, it is wilful selfishness.

The Hindu way of life, it seems to me, is almost totally preoccupied with personal salvation. For this no amount of prayers and pujas are sufficient. Our swamis are daily asking people to devote their whole life to devotion. 'Total surrender' is what they recommend. It is, therefore, not surprising that some of the dirtiest places in India are our holy places. Instead of cleanliness being next to godliness, our national motto seems to be 'other-worldliness is next to godliness.'.........


tribuneindia.com



To: JPR who wrote (9432)11/8/1999 10:00:00 AM
From: JPR  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12475
 
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
search.nytimes.com
POPE was persuasive, but leaders of other faiths: Hindus, Muslims, Jains, Buddhists are unmoved. Read what they have to say...JPR
Excerpts

NEW DELHI -- Summoning all his moral authority, Pope John Paul II tried Sunday to persuade leaders of other religions here that interfaith understanding should lead them to recognize the Roman
Catholic Church's right to evangelize.


"Religious freedom constitutes the very heart of human rights," the pope, on a three-day visit to India, said at a interreligious gathering

Muslim Fundamentalists uneasy on Evangelization--JPR
Christian proselytizing is fuel for Muslim fundamentalists, but it is also a source of uneasiness between the pope and some of his more moderate and like-minded religious peers.

Buddhist Monk worries about the fine line between indoctrination and inner consciousness..JPR
Samdhong Rinpoche, a Buddhist monk who is the speaker of the Tibetan Parliament in exile, said after leaving the podium he shared with the pope. "But what we fear is that between indoctrination and anybody's inner-consciousness to choose his religion, there is a clean line."

"Any kind of action to encourage, or to persuade or to motivate in favor of any particular religion, that is a form of conversion that we as Buddhists cannot recommend," the monk said.

SM Saraswati declares that Converts are saffron inside and catholics outside...JPR
Shankaracharya Madhavananda Saraswati, the Hindu leader also expressed private misgivings about Christian evangelization. He said later that Hindus could not really ever be diverted from their original faith: "Religion comes from the heart. Something may change outwardly, but what is inside remains with the human being forever. That does not change."

POPE's company line.....JPR
The pope said it was a "mystery" why Christ is largely unknown on the continent and added, "The peoples of Asia need Jesus Christ and his Gospel."

Fundamentalists say Souls are not for sale...JPR
In India, however, Hindu fundamentalists accuse Christian missionaries, who are most active in poor rural and tribal areas, of preying on the most susceptible in society -- buying their souls with education, medical aid
and economic assistance.


Jain Acharya says to catholics: Clean up your house first....JPR
"Religious people are more busy with increasing the number of their followers rather than paying attention to the challenges that beset religion," Acharya Mahapragya, head of the Jain faith, said at the podium. Speaking through a lavender-colored surgical mask -- Jains are Hindus who revere all forms of life and veil their speech to prevent their breath from destroying living micro-organisms -- he was the only leader, besides the pope, to address the issue of conversions publicly.