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To: Dan3 who wrote (91919)	11/8/1999 7:49:00 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Dan, <Tell me something, do you think that Microsoft or Intel (especially Microsoft) would exist as they do today if IBM hadn't been forced by the government to open up its various bundling activities?> Here's a better question. Using your hindsight of IBM, what do you think should be done to Microsoft (if anything) that will benefit both consumers and the American economy? Tenchusatsu

To: Dan3 who wrote (91919)	11/8/1999 8:16:00 PM
From: Road Walker	Respond to of 186894

Dan, re: "Price is determined by what a willing buyer and a willing seller..." "Tell me something, do you think that Microsoft or Intel (especially Microsoft) would exist as they do today if IBM hadn't been forced by the government to open up its various bundling activities?" Exactly as they do today, maybe; close, yes. You have a habit of asking questions, based on your own imagined and revised history, that clearly can't be answered. I assume this is supposed to make a point. What took place 20 years ago has nothing to do with the present. This is generally considered a very weak debate tactic. "You've never been held up at gunpoint, have you? There is such a thing as an unwilling buyer, who is, nonetheless, a "buyer". And being held up comes in various degrees of obviousness - but a price is still established." I have spent my career negotiating vendor agreements with some of the nastiest retailers in the country. I have walked from deals that caused co-workers to be laid off. Yes, there is always relative power in a negotiation. But the key is that each side has something to win, and something to lose. IMHO, Microsoft, as everyone has in a business deal, had as much to lose as they had to win, they were just better negotiators. A bluff always works better if you have two aces showing, but you can't blame the player for his hand. John