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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (1323)	11/9/1999 11:54:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Respond to of 3246

I'm also glad to see the film people Kafka and Welles, etc. in there... a number of historians I have read indicate that film is the dominant art form of this century... I agree... therefore the visual artists seem overrepresented, fwiw.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (1323)	11/10/1999 12:15:00 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 3246

I am very fond of Jasper Johns, and also, frankly, of Warhol and Lichtenstein, and I therefore sympathize. However, the main thrust of painting in this century was towards a reflection on the elements and ideas involved in fine art, a process undoubtedly carried on by the pop artists.(Lichtentein's most brilliant work involves the appropriation of styles from other painters "run through" his own conventions, and Warhol questions the distinction between "art" and "design", for example). Picasso and Matisse are the giants here, having dominated the world of painting for decades, each experimenting with a number of different styles that freed painting. Whistler asserted that painting should strive for the condition of music, that is, a sort of formal purity, Picasso and Matisse were instrumental in making that possible.... Mondrian and Kandinsky were the most significant painters to carry the new art into the realm of pure abstraction, and therefore to fulfill the desire for formalism and the examination of what could be done with line and color... Brancusi showed the way for sculpture to follow painting into increasing abstraction... Duchamp was the intellectual of 20th century painting. His ready- mades were brilliant, and frankly, more provocative, precursors of Warhol's soup cans and Brillo boxes, and he contributed to cubism and surrealism as well before renouncing painting. The main reason that I include him is that he lived most of his adult life in New York, and was a mentor to some of those who were instrumental in developing Abstract Expressionism, and I think his ideas helped to originate the New York School... The Abstract Expressionist finally achieved the pure "music of painting", as had never before occurred. They also showed the limits of formalism....